Most low apm dps class and why ?

[Nedkel]

Yet don't want to heal or tank due to anxiety so both are out of questions still people saying dancers and rdm only thing but which of em does sorta focus dps dps ?

There is nothing stressful in those roles as long as you keep your standards a little higher than average, and by those i mean:
Pulling more than single packs and rotate CDs
Not overhealing and using dps spells from time to time.
Keeping EQ up to lvl to make things easier.

The requirements for those roles are set so low in this game that even kids could do it.

[xxvaynxx]

Because you're misleading the OP by trying to act like just giving up kenki management isn't detrimental and like keeping up BotD is a terrible burden. The skill that has a 25 second recast and a 30 second duration, and you could just stand still outside of combat and STILL maintain it.

And if you think BotD is so hard to maintain, why have you never even tried to explain that? If it was true, then my extremely reductionist argument of "Just press 1>2>3>4 lol" would have been child's play to dismantle.

I think DRG would be a great job for OP. It has no attack speed buff and actually wants to avoid attack speed. It requires little to no double weaving if you aren't at the level of syncing CD burst windows, and it has two highly visible buffs so that they can feel useful even if their skill might not be up to snuff. Dragon sight is a great way to let a friend know you like them.

I felt they were just trying to be nice but I do have to agree with you. Stuff like what that person said is the reason why we have so many bad samurai pulling less dps than a gunbreaker and acting like using midare is the only thing you should do because they see big numbers.
I see a lot of samurai's not even using their Dot on bosses shadowbringers leveling dgn. Makes me wonder how did they get that far playing samurai.

[Katie_Kitty]

A lot of sarcasm and venom considering that you can barely throw the "let players who actually put forth effort" stone yourself. You can't even throw it hard. Perhaps you should take a few minutes before hitting submit and consider what ya saying. No need to be elitist to the noobie. You don't own Red Mage and you're not doing well enough to be one of the players "doing all the work." Legit annoys me.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I have a perfectly appropriate resume in high-end content that makes me feel very confident talking the way I do. If I wanted to go out of my way to kill every savage boss 20 times each just to pad the numbers (like a CERTAIN SOMEONE I know) then maybe they would be even better, but alas, not everybody has that luxury.

[Stepjam]

Good choice! It has slightly more actions per minute than a black mage but is easier to play well.

Now, if the melee bug bites you, I'd suggest monk. I suffer from fibromyalgia, which causes pain and difficulty in concentration, and I have found monk easier the dragoon. Although, I have to say, dragoon is more enjoyable.

I'm pretty sure monk has the fastest GCD in the game with the 4th GL stack. It's still less busy than NIN because less oGCDs and no mudras, but yeah.

[Katie_Kitty]

I'm fully aware you don't "pad" via multiple clears. That doesn't mean much, since no amount of RNG is going to fix that chip on your shoulder, but I digress. I was saying your elitist attitude with Red Mage towards the other dude is unwarranted because you're not good enough to warrant it. I won't bring Ultimates into this because a lot of people don't have that time, even though I could. But lets look at the facts:

You cleared Shiva late.
You did poorly last tier. Maybe because you took a break? Still a kinda late Titan clear there buddy.
You personally upload your 24-mans, but appear to struggle to 99 those which is free, Dance partner or not.
You've played since Deltascape, where that entire expansion you did extremely poorly all around.
You delete your bad runs! That Titan clear of yours wasn't uploaded by you. Very nice indicator that you might not keep all those poor runs around.

So, what I can gather is this: You got your first oranges this tier and now your ego is hyper-inflated. Now I don't personally care if someone is an elitist. Those sort of players plateau so hard they burn out and quit (wink, wink, you're here). But when you start to tell new players not to play something PURELY because of your obvious attachment to a job, along with having the sheer audacity to say assume a new player will not "put forth effort" while implying to leave that up to you, I'm calling you out.

So here's a news flash: You're not as good as you think you are and you've no right to both be elitist and tell someone not to do something because your favorite job might be played by someone who is new and may or may not have the same approach to improvement as you. That right doesn't exist for anyone but, even if it did, you're laughably unqualified. Take a moment and re-evaluate yourself and why you play this game, because your post history is filled with this s***.

I'm not sure where to even begin with this silly reply.

Clearing shiva is a team effort my dude. It's pretty hilarious that you're even bringing up alliance raids considering how irrelevant they are. I'd ask if you plan on nit-picking me in normal raids too but that wouldn't exactly serve your narrative here. All that stuff about stormblood.. Well, we haven't all been raiding obsessively since Heavensward (seriously, who needs 60 kills of Kefka? What were you hoping to achieve?).

In any case, literally none of this has anything to do with the point I was actually making: That it gets old after a while hearing every person who wants a free pass through casual content get told to play my favorite Job. You may not like the way I said it, but what i said is a fact: The last thing RDM needs is another person whose entire motivation for playing it is "I really don't want to press too many buttons or try too hard."

[Katie_Kitty]

It's a video game, dude. RDM is among the easier jobs to pick up and manage. If someone wants to play it for that fact, so be it. Blame the devs for making it one of the easiest jobs. But how someone else plays this game, someone who you will likely never even play with, is none of your business at the end of the day. It has no impact on you. I'm sorry you feel that RDM is your special job and damn anyone who dares play it because it's on the easier side of things. You getting upset at the mention of RDM being a class chosen for its ease is the silliest thing of all. And it's not "your job." It's a job you play. It's a job you main. It's not "your job."

Regardless of how "old" it gets hearing, you've taken the absolute wrong path and solution to remedying the "issue." Wanna know what I do when I see someone doing or saying bad stuff about my pet jobs? I tell them what they are doing wrong and why. Someone wants to get into the job? Here's the basics for them. And so on.

Which is why I will react strongly every time: Elitism is whatevs. Being toxic about it to another person is not.

At the end of the day, when it comes to playing the game casually for the story, it doesn't matter what job you play. It is not inherently more difficult to press your AoE buttons in dungeons on Samurai than it is on Red Mage, or Dancer, or Dragoon, or whatever. The only possible exception would be BLM mostly because that job is a mess all the way up to stormblood levels. Trying to funnel people to one job specifically is just wrong plain and simple. People should be picking jobs based on which ones they enjoy playing, not which ones the community tells them is easiest. And, frankly, if someone has aspirations to play a job in high-end content, then they DEFINITELY shouldn't be picking a job based on which one they can get away with putting less effort in.

You think I was being toxic? No, I was putting my foot down and saying what needed to be said. This whole idea some people have that CPM in savage content matters for someone who is just playing through the story is completely wrong. Most of the playerbase in this game doesn't even try to keep their GCD rolling in story content. Most of the playerbase in this game doesn't even hold other players to that standard in story content. So why should it matter at all?

[Drakeos]

Decide to try and risk it and play as Dragoon and enjoying from 34>40 atm now working to 40>50

[Anatha]

If you're going to overblow MCH, you better not be suggesting dancer.

It's far more difficult to handle and there's nothing the player can do about it because it's all rng.

The truth about MCH is that outside the opener, it's a really slow paced class. You're never playing whack a mole, it's the opposite, you're waiting for something to do.

The fastest it gets is during wildfire where you hit 6 gcds and at least 3 single weave ogcds in 10 seconds. It's not difficult. And that's once every 2 minutes. It is markedly slower paced outside that window.

[calebfairchild]

Great, just what we need, another person on my favorite job who doesn't have the slightest intention of even trying to perform well while playing it. Personally I recommend dancer. It's far more mobile and you spend 90% of your time just hitting a 1-2 combo. Also as long as you use devilment you can just let players who actually put forth effort do all the work instead.

Just because you have CT doesn't mean you can't perform well, and she never said she would play the class like that did she? I have CT and play as best as I possibly can. She was trying to find a lower APM DPS, and I assume meaning a class she can play optimally even with wrist and hand troubles. Red mage DPS APM is still in the lower range, especially compared to WoW. Even with CT it's possible to play it well. APM is more about how much you MASH buttons, not complex rotations. treating someone like a bad player due to pain isn't cool, I'm sorry to say.

What you want is a job that's 40 CPM (Cast per minute, similar to Actions per minute) or lower and to play with controller if possible.


Job CPM Min Max
NIN 45.6 44.4 46.4
MCH 45.1 44.2 46.4
BRD 42.5 42.1 43.3
SAM 42.2 40.5 43.2
GNB 41.5 39.7 43.9
DRG 40.9 40.3 41.8
MNK 39.8 38.8 41.3
AST 38.6 35.9 40.6
DNC 38.4 36.5 40.6
DRK 37.9 36.6 39.6
RDM 36.5 35.9 37.1
RPR 36.0 35.1 36.8
SMN 35.7 33.9 37.4
SCH 35.4 33.1 38.0
PLD 34.6 33.1 36.4
WAR 34.1 32.4 35.1
SGE 33.1 31.1 35.0
BLM 32.8 32.2 34.8
WHM 31.7 30.2 34.1


Personally I'd recommend Black or red mage in the current content. For Melee: Monk
Tank: Paladin Healer:WHM