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    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    I'm sorry what kind of argument is this? "You don't have to juggle your kenki bar if you don't have to?" Well you don't have to keep up enochian if you don't want to, or you don't need to deal damage as a healer if you don't want to, or you don't have to do your positionals if you don't want to.

    I think I'm going to give OP a little more credit than assuming they're asking what job they can slack on and do a mediocre job and just slide by.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drakeos View Post
    class would benefit someone who wants to enjoy the game through main story/sidequests and contents (even end game that is forgiving if make mistakes in dungeons/raids and stuff)
    The OP mentioned she wanted to focus on the story and seemed tentative on forgiving dungeons and raids. Well you don't have to juggle your kenki bar to achieve this, so I don't see what's wrong with making this argument. You can do a mediocre job in any of the MSQ fights and still win so I don't see the problem here. The OP mentioned "DPS class" which is why I'm taking about a DPS class not not healer damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    If you don't care about DPS than you can just play literally any job and it won't matter. None of the story content is hard enough to warrant min/maxing.
    I do think it's a concern that you could end up locked out of a great deal of your DRG abilities if you can't keep up with the Blood of the Dragon timers if you're slow on the keyboard. OP said "atm want to not feel weak while going from 1-80 but feel useful ?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    I do think it's a concern that you could end up locked out of a great deal of your DRG abilities if you can't keep up with the Blood of the Dragon timers if you're slow on the keyboard. OP said "atm want to not feel weak while going from 1-80 but feel useful ?"
    If someone can't keep up BotD, I'm sorry but they're just going to have to accept that they're not useful. It has a 30 second duration, a 25 second recast, and extenders that come up naturally and do not necessitate positionals. If you cannot keep it up, then you're just not pressing buttons. There is nothing difficult about extending 123 and 567 to 1234 and 5678.
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    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    If someone can't keep up BotD, I'm sorry but they're just going to have to accept that they're not useful.
    Which is why I suggest playing a different class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    Which is why I suggest playing a different class.
    If you cannot maintain that level of APM you won't be useful in ANY job.

    Keeping up BotD is possible for anyone no matter how bad you are. You would have to not be playing for significant portions of a fight in order to lose it. You can mess up kenki, you can mess up bootshine procs, you can mess up mudras, and you can mess up Enochian, but messing up BotD means you haven't been playing the job right for nearly 30 levels. All you have to do is do your comboes. You don't even have to land the positionals or rotate them.

    If that's the level of laziness we're expecting, then just play whatever looks prettiest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    If that's the level of laziness we're expecting, then just play whatever looks prettiest.
    The OP outlined what she wanted and it didn't involve being pretty. If you don't want to answer her question then why bother posting here.

    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    Keeping up BotD is possible for anyone no matter how bad you are.
    You know that's false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    The OP outlined what she wanted and it didn't involve being pretty. If you don't want to answer her question then why bother posting here.



    You know that's false.
    Because you're misleading the OP by trying to act like just giving up kenki management isn't detrimental and like keeping up BotD is a terrible burden. The skill that has a 25 second recast and a 30 second duration, and you could just stand still outside of combat and STILL maintain it.

    And if you think BotD is so hard to maintain, why have you never even tried to explain that? If it was true, then my extremely reductionist argument of "Just press 1>2>3>4 lol" would have been child's play to dismantle.

    I think DRG would be a great job for OP. It has no attack speed buff and actually wants to avoid attack speed. It requires little to no double weaving if you aren't at the level of syncing CD burst windows, and it has two highly visible buffs so that they can feel useful even if their skill might not be up to snuff. Dragon sight is a great way to let a friend know you like them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    And if you think BotD is so hard to maintain, why have you never even tried to explain that?
    I never said BotD it was hard to maintain, that's why I never tried to explain that. I'm growing tired of this argument so I'm checking out of this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    Because you're misleading the OP by trying to act like just giving up kenki management isn't detrimental and like keeping up BotD is a terrible burden. The skill that has a 25 second recast and a 30 second duration, and you could just stand still outside of combat and STILL maintain it.

    And if you think BotD is so hard to maintain, why have you never even tried to explain that? If it was true, then my extremely reductionist argument of "Just press 1>2>3>4 lol" would have been child's play to dismantle.

    I think DRG would be a great job for OP. It has no attack speed buff and actually wants to avoid attack speed. It requires little to no double weaving if you aren't at the level of syncing CD burst windows, and it has two highly visible buffs so that they can feel useful even if their skill might not be up to snuff. Dragon sight is a great way to let a friend know you like them.
    I felt they were just trying to be nice but I do have to agree with you. Stuff like what that person said is the reason why we have so many bad samurai pulling less dps than a gunbreaker and acting like using midare is the only thing you should do because they see big numbers.
    I see a lot of samurai's not even using their Dot on bosses shadowbringers leveling dgn. Makes me wonder how did they get that far playing samurai.
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