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  1. #21
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    Vyrerus's Avatar
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    Vicious Zvahl
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    Excalibur
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    I don't agree. For the most part, I ignore Third Eye and this hasn't let to any critical loss of battle. And like I said before, you don't have to press your buttons faster just because your have a skill speed buff, there's nothing forcing you to push the buttons faster because there's no timers on the abilities apart from the combo requirements. You don't even need to juggle your Kenki bar if you don't want to, it's not on any kind of timer, once the bar is charged the player can use the abilities at their leisure. The OP isn't looking to maximize damage per second.
    You can disagree, and that's fine, but it doesn't mean SAM is any less demanding on APM. The faster your GCD comes back, the faster you will want to and can press your buttons. You can play any job and press the buttons less. The OP is specifically looking for classes that perform well, while pressing less, and SAM is not one of them. To generate Kenki you have get those GCDs off. Hissatsu: Guren/Senei, Ikishoten, Tsubame-Gaeshi, and Shoha all have recast timers in addition to the need to have Kenki generated. The less you press on SAM, the less Kenki you make, the less skills you can do, the worse the class performs, and it will feel quite weak from that. Whereas on DRG, everything is merely on timers, so while you will suffer from pressing less, as all classes do, you will suffer less than SAM, which is intended for the player to be hitting as fast as they can to generate more Kenki. Plus you can buff your allies, in addition to yourself.

    Don't get me wrong. I find Samurai more relaxing to play than DRG, but that's solely because of having less to worry about in regards to group buff alignment vs. just being able to do my own thing on SAM and not worry too much. But after longterm play, DRG has never made my hands tired, whereas SAM has.
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  2. #22
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    Edax's Avatar
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    Edax Royeaux
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    Leviathan
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    I'm sorry what kind of argument is this? "You don't have to juggle your kenki bar if you don't have to?" Well you don't have to keep up enochian if you don't want to, or you don't need to deal damage as a healer if you don't want to, or you don't have to do your positionals if you don't want to.

    I think I'm going to give OP a little more credit than assuming they're asking what job they can slack on and do a mediocre job and just slide by.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drakeos View Post
    class would benefit someone who wants to enjoy the game through main story/sidequests and contents (even end game that is forgiving if make mistakes in dungeons/raids and stuff)
    The OP mentioned she wanted to focus on the story and seemed tentative on forgiving dungeons and raids. Well you don't have to juggle your kenki bar to achieve this, so I don't see what's wrong with making this argument. You can do a mediocre job in any of the MSQ fights and still win so I don't see the problem here. The OP mentioned "DPS class" which is why I'm taking about a DPS class not not healer damage.

    Quote Originally Posted by basketofseals View Post
    If you don't care about DPS than you can just play literally any job and it won't matter. None of the story content is hard enough to warrant min/maxing.
    I do think it's a concern that you could end up locked out of a great deal of your DRG abilities if you can't keep up with the Blood of the Dragon timers if you're slow on the keyboard. OP said "atm want to not feel weak while going from 1-80 but feel useful ?"
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  3. #23
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    StriderShinryu's Avatar
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    Alexalea Snowsong
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Yeah, I'm actually levelling DRG right now and I wouldn't suggest it for the OP. I'm not even at 80 yet and it already feels like there are more buttons to press than the other classes. You may not have to press them as quickly as with some other classes but so many of them are very conditional in that if you don't activate them at the right time or in the right order (or you fat finger the wrong one) you lose out on huge portions of your active rotation.
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  4. #24
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    Drakeos's Avatar
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    Drakeos Shadowbane
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    So right now SAM/MCH and DRG which would be friendly (def lookin at mch) since BLM almost 77 and doing main story for shadowbringer but not enjoying due to casting time atm .... (RDM is sorta out of question also) but also want to have awareness and mobility (maybe ranged)
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  5. #25
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    Alijana Tumet
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    Cactuar
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    Ninja Lv 100
    MCH is not carpal tunnel friendly IMO strictly due to its frequent Overheat burst windows, as you need to be spamming Ricochet/Gauss Round between Heated Blast uses to avoid losing a rather significant amount of damage.
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  6. #26
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    StriderShinryu's Avatar
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    Alexalea Snowsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    MCH is not carpal tunnel friendly IMO strictly due to its frequent Overheat burst windows, as you need to be spamming Ricochet/Gauss Round between Heated Blast uses to avoid losing a rather significant amount of damage.
    Agree with this. If you really like the idea of MCH then don't let anyone stop you of course. I'm sure interest and enjoyment will let you figure out a way to make it work for you. But, as someone who doesn't even have wrist/hand issues I find MCH to be rather physically taxing to play. It's not only an extremely active burst window but it's also a very frequent one.
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  7. #27
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    Eternity Spellblade
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    Midgardsormr
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Rotation aside, the SAM questline is actually kinda hard...
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  8. #28
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    Drakeos Shadowbane
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    Excalibur
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Decided to go RDM since already leveling caster class to 80 (BLM) so gearwise will be shared with RDM
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  9. #29
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    Edax Royeaux
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    Leviathan
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Drakeos View Post
    Decided to go RDM since already leveling caster class to 80 (BLM) so gearwise will be shared with RDM
    That's not a bad choice, RDM is rather straightforward.

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    Last edited by Edax; 05-25-2020 at 04:54 AM.

  10. #30
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 98
    Quote Originally Posted by Drakeos View Post
    Decided to go RDM since already leveling caster class to 80 (BLM) so gearwise will be shared with RDM
    Good choice! It has slightly more actions per minute than a black mage but is easier to play well.

    Now, if the melee bug bites you, I'd suggest monk. I suffer from fibromyalgia, which causes pain and difficulty in concentration, and I have found monk easier the dragoon. Although, I have to say, dragoon is more enjoyable.
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