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  1. #11
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    Edax's Avatar
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    Edax Royeaux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esmoire View Post
    That's fair, though a lot of what you mentioned is more long term multitasking as opposed to manic, and a very measured in pace. DRGs is distinct from the other three melee in that we are the only melee without any inherent skill speed boost. Also, while jumps have a faster animation in Shadowbringers, they still force the player to pause. All of this combined makes it easy for me to move my arm over during the lengthier animations, rather than splaying my fingers or twisting my wrists.

    The Dragon Sight thing isn't a big deal; if the person is just looking to progress, there's a few macros you can make to make it easier on you. All of these buffs have a really long CD, and with Blood of the Dragon being rather generous you can have it up before the fight begins, meaning even the opener is relatively relaxed for a melee.

    All in all melee is not recommended for those trying to avoid strain, though if they had to pick one, dragoon is the best choice.
    I'll just point out that SAM conceptionally just generate resources with its Sen Gauge and Kenki Gauge. Even if you use your actions slowly, you'll still generate resources to unleash your ultimate attack. Your not required to hit your buttons faster even if you have a skill speed boost so it's very forgiving in that regard. You can fight at your pace because once the resource is generated, it'll stay on your bar until you use it or leave the zone.
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  2. #12
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    Esmoire's Avatar
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    Mei Coincounter
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    I'll just point out that SAM conceptionally just generate resources with its Sen Gauge and Kenki Gauge. Even if you use your actions slowly, you'll still generate resources to unleash your ultimate attack. Your not required to hit your buttons faster even if you have a skill speed boost so it's very forgiving in that regard. You can fight at your pace because once the resource is generated, it'll stay on your bar until you use it or leave the zone.
    The Sen thing is a fair point, though Kenki I feel is as much a point against it: let's say you are doing world content, a dungeon or alliance raid or something and have Kenki left over. Since all your actions start building it (and fast), you feel the need to spend it. This is especially true if you have a button that is always ticking that gives you 50 more of it, and the sooner you can press it, the sooner the CD can start ticking. This just makes the start of combat feel more frantic with the oGCDs to spend if you have these resources. Sen is not so bad; Iaijutsu are like jumps in that they gate the pace of the job a bit which can be a good thing.

    Though if you find it's still comfortable for you, it could be worth trying for the OP. I found it rough on my wrists but everyone will have different experiences based on their configurations and circumstances and all that. It starts at 50 so if the thread poster finds it's taxing her wrists it's not so bad to drop it. You get a good idea of how SAM feels as you approach 70.
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  3. #13
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    I'm interested in this macro thingy but also was looking into MCH as well but dunno kinda scared
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  4. #14
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    Chloe Lehideux
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    Black mage and healers are ur pick
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  5. #15
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    MCH has hypercharge windows where you need to press something like 13 skills in a 10s window. I would definitely not recommend it if you have any issues with your hands.
    I would think that you would be better off not handling classes that weave a fair amount or have extra skill speeds. SAM is a pretty forgiving and accessible melee but it might not be good for someone requiring low APM.

    Like someone else said, BLM and DRG are probably going to be your best options for DPS when it comes to lesser amounts of strain on the hands.

    Macros are not usually good to use with dps skills and tend to be discouraged. With that said, depending on what content you plan on doing it could be adequate for your specific case.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drakeos View Post
    I'm interested in this macro thingy but also was looking into MCH as well but dunno kinda scared
    Well, for example, for PvP I use this macro for Dragon Sight:
    Code:
    /micon Dragon Sight
    /merror off
    /pvpac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
    /pvpac "Dragon Sight" <t>
    /pvpac "Dragon Sight" <2>
    /pvpac "Dragon Sight" <3>
    /pvpac "Dragon Sight" <4>
    /pvpac "Dragon Sight" <5>
    /pvpac "Dragon Sight" <6>
    /pvpac "Dragon Sight" <7>
    /pvpac "Dragon Sight" <8>
    If I were to make something for PvE, aside from changing /pvpac to /ac, include <c> (chocobo companion), and maybe go with slots 5, 6, 7, 8, 4, 2, 3, in order, so this way, it will go for DPS first regardless of full or light party. If there's room after that you can squeeze in /psort.

    I haven't tested it in PvE since I don't play DRG outside of PvP anymore (mostly because I am just not a DPS person), it might look like:
    Code:
    /micon Dragon Sight
    /merror off
    /psort
    /ac "Dragon Sight" <mo>
    /ac "Dragon Sight" <t>
    /ac "Dragon Sight" <5>
    /ac "Dragon Sight" <6>
    /ac "Dragon Sight" <7>
    /ac "Dragon Sight" <8>
    /ac "Dragon Sight" <4>
    /ac "Dragon Sight" <2>
    /ac "Dragon Sight" <3>
    /ac "Dragon Sight" <c>
    Somebody more serious about DRG can totally chime in here and pick it apart; just something I typed out raw. If there's any issues or you want macro help you can hit me up at Honey#9999 on Discord and I can help you out. Macros aren't good for stuff like your core rotation but they can be great for the usability of enhancements like Dragon Sight or Nascent Flash.

    Also as someone said, I highly discourage playing MCH. I really wanted to work for me but even with different hardware and configurations it was inducing a bit of strain.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esmoire View Post
    Since all your actions start building it (and fast), you feel the need to spend it.
    I personally have not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    I can't recommend DRG, it's got more awkward rotations and your always fighting to keep Blood of the Dragon going which just increases the stress and discourages disengaging with the boss. Not only that but DRG has a bunch of buffs you have to juggle: Life Surge, Lance Charge, Battle Litany and Dragon Sight, with the last one being especially awkward to use if your trying to reduce how much you use your keyboard and mouse. Add to that you have 4 jump attacks that aren't part of any normal ABC rotation so you gotta try to keep up with all the buffs and jumps while also trying to keep Blood of the Dragon bar alive while also keeping up with all your dive attacks. I can't recommend this job to someone who has carpal tunnel. Playing DRG is a juggling act.
    Ever since the update to it in Shadowbringers, the recast time on BOTD is 25 seconds and its duration is 30 seconds. Unless there's a 30 seconds transition, it becomes impossible to lose now, unless you stop hitting enemies or neglect to press the button again, 5 seconds before it wears off. The other claims against its oGCDs are weird to me, because SAM has those same sorts of things to juggle, they're just further tied into its Kenki bar and Third Eye. Along with Shifu you wind up pressing your buttons pretty much just as much, and more if your skill speed is higher than it should be. The only thing that's simpler about SAM as that there's less of a need to plan out use of your skills, since none of them affect other people, and it has one less positional.

    To answer OP, people already said it, but it's BLM if you only want to go low APM DPS. If BLM doesn't appeal to you, I'd go with RDM or DRG. If you can't be nice to your hands with BLM, then you can be semi-nice to them while buffing your allies or being able to raise them.
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    Ever since the update to it in Shadowbringers, the recast time on BOTD is 25 seconds and its duration is 30 seconds. Unless there's a 30 seconds transition, it becomes impossible to lose now, unless you stop hitting enemies or neglect to press the button again, 5 seconds before it wears off. The other claims against its oGCDs are weird to me, because SAM has those same sorts of things to juggle, they're just further tied into its Kenki bar and Third Eye. Along with Shifu you wind up pressing your buttons pretty much just as much, and more if your skill speed is higher than it should be. The only thing that's simpler about SAM as that there's less of a need to plan out use of your skills, since none of them affect other people, and it has one less positional.
    I don't agree. For the most part, I ignore Third Eye and this hasn't let to any critical loss of battle. And like I said before, you don't have to press your buttons faster just because your have a skill speed buff, there's nothing forcing you to push the buttons faster because there's no timers on the abilities apart from the combo requirements. You don't even need to juggle your Kenki bar if you don't want to, it's not on any kind of timer, once the bar is charged the player can use the abilities at their leisure. The OP isn't looking to maximize damage per second.
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  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    I don't agree. For the most part, I ignore Third Eye and this hasn't let to any critical loss of battle. And like I said before, you don't have to press your buttons faster just because your have a skill speed buff, there's nothing forcing you to push the buttons faster because there's no timers on the abilities apart from the combo requirements. You don't even need to juggle your Kenki bar if you don't want to, it's not on any kind of timer, once the bar is charged the player can use the abilities at their leisure. The OP isn't looking to maximize damage per second.
    I'm sorry what kind of argument is this? "You don't have to juggle your kenki bar if you don't have to?" Well you don't have to keep up enochian if you don't want to, or you don't need to deal damage as a healer if you don't want to, or you don't have to do your positionals if you don't want to.

    I think I'm going to give OP a little more credit than assuming they're asking what job they can slack on and do a mediocre job and just slide by.

    If you don't care about DPS than you can just play literally any job and it won't matter. None of the story content is hard enough to warrant min/maxing.
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