Add DPS roles to Warrior ?

[Rasikko]

...They used to be able to do that via Deliverance, but the idea of tank DPS stances aren't a thing anymore. We've come full circle now - most of you are asking for things you didn't like, to come back now because you realize they were good after all.

[Videra]

...They used to be able to do that via Deliverance, but the idea of tank DPS stances aren't a thing anymore. We've come full circle now - most of you are asking for things you didn't like, to come back now because you realize they were good after all.

Honestly, Tank gameplay boiled down to

>Have aggro

>Never use tank stance ever again

Stance dancing wasn't a thing at the end of Stormblood, and it's for the best that tank stances got canned.

[MirronTulaxia]

FF in general doesn't have a ton of those jobs so it's not too surprising. It's not really the kind of aesthetics JRPGs go for. Even Dragoon, who is a heavy fighter of some sort, is a lot more along the lines of refined than a Berserker.

I was mostly just pointing out that Berserkers can be tanks. Honestly I'm kind of surprised they went the road they did with Warrior as opposed to a different theme. Granted the only ideas I have would basically be either another knight (as we already basically have three I'm not a huge fan of that idea) or taking from existing melee DPS.

[Seraphor]

Not gonna happen.
But I do think we're due a melee class that wields giant hammers and maces, could share maiming gear with DRG.

[Drez]

No? Tanks are already hard enough to come by, and you want to let 1/4th of all tanks play as dps instead?

Want to play as a dps? Level a dps, this game is designed around making leveling multiple jobs as easy as possible. Bored with the job you're playing? Well you can have an entirely different play experience with a literal click of a button. Same character, same account, same resources. Tacking on a DPS option to WAR just so some players can fulfill some aesthetic power fantasy just sounds silly.

[MirronTulaxia]

No? Tanks are already hard enough to come by, and you want to let 1/4th of all tanks play as dps instead?

Want to play as a dps? Level a dps, this game is designed around making leveling multiple jobs as easy as possible. Bored with the job you're playing? Well you can have an entirely different play experience with a literal click of a button. Same character, same account, same resources. Tacking on a DPS option to WAR just so some players can fulfill some aesthetic power fantasy just sounds silly.

Eh, while I certainly understand that I can emphasize with the fact that the DPS style they want isn't really present. Wanting a job that fits the particular style you want isn't exactly an unreasonable ask, and given FF doesn't have Berserker style jobs much (and the one we have arguably has eaten up the space of any remaining ones (I don't entirely agree, but it's not an unreasonable opinion)) trying to find a way to get that in some manner still is understandable. The reason any of us ask for new jobs in general is because there is some aesthetic or mechanical implementation we want to see that isn't currently in the game. With four melee DPS already and likely the new jobs coming to a halt soon enough it's not like there is much space for a full new job either.

[SamRF]

No? Tanks are already hard enough to come by, and you want to let 1/4th of all tanks play as dps instead?

Want to play as a dps? Level a dps, this game is designed around making leveling multiple jobs as easy as possible. Bored with the job you're playing? Well you can have an entirely different play experience with a literal click of a button. Same character, same account, same resources. Tacking on a DPS option to WAR just so some players can fulfill some aesthetic power fantasy just sounds silly.

Or people simply go play other MMOs which do have that type of class, or people don't even start playing FFXIV because it doesn't have that type of class. It's usually a very popular archetype (e.g. in WoW, the "Fury Warrior" spec has always been one of the most popular).

Don't underestimate how big of a difference it can make in player enjoyment for many considering if they can identify and express their fantasy archetype in a game or not. It's why when you google any MMO name, one of the first autofill suggestions is always "... classes", even for FFXIV the autofill "FFXIV classes" shows up (even though it's "jobs"). I believe it's people looking up which classes are available in an MMO before they even consider starting the game, I do the same thing before I consider another MMO.

Given the usual popularity of such archetype, could implementing it perhaps mean an influx of new players (just like how GNB might have drawn in some players)? Could it mean some players would be more satisfied (=more chance they stay subbed)? It's for SE to weigh that consideration I guess.

1 good point perhaps is the tank role shortage, I can see it increase if such job would come out and perhaps that's a big reason for why it's not on the table.

edit: note that I'm talking about a whole new job, I realize we won't be getting any diverging jobs from existing classes.

[Drez]

Or people simply go play other MMOs which do have that type of class, or people don't even start playing FFXIV because it doesn't have that type of class. It's usually a very popular archetype (e.g. in WoW, the "Fury Warrior" spec has always been one of the most popular).

Don't underestimate how big of a difference it can make in player enjoyment for many considering if they can identify and express their fantasy archetype in a game or not. It's why when you google any MMO name, one of the first autofill suggestions is always "... classes", even for FFXIV the autofill "FFXIV classes" shows up (even though it's "jobs"). I believe it's people looking up which classes are available in an MMO before they even consider starting the game, I do the same thing before I consider another MMO.

Then then should go play that MMO? Not every game is going to fill every desire for every player. If another MMO fulfills what someone wants better than XIV then they should be playing that game instead. If I liked WoW more than XIV I would be playing WoW I owe no loyalty to Square or this game. I'm not going to personally disregard the entirety of a game as huge as XIV because one class isn't exactly how I want it to be. That's just being short sighted and reductive.

Case in point: I was a Red Mage main in Final Fantasy XI for EIGHT years. When I started playing XIV I didn't jump up and down and throw a tantrum because RDM wasn't in the game at all. I found a different job that I enjoyed and played that instead.

[SamRF]

Then then should go play that MMO? Not every game is going to fill every desire for every player. If another MMO fulfills what someone wants better than XIV then they should be playing that game instead. If I liked WoW more than XIV I would be playing WoW I owe no loyalty to Square or this game. I'm not going to personally disregard the entirety of a game as huge as XIV because one class isn't exactly how I want it to be. That's just being short sighted and reductive.

Case in point: I was a Red Mage main in Final Fantasy XI for EIGHT years. When I started playing XIV I didn't jump up and down and throw a tantrum because RDM wasn't in the game at all. I found a different job that I enjoyed and played that instead.

I kind of explained my point in the remainder of that post which you didn't include in the quote. I'm just saying that it's something that may be worth considering. Nobody owns loyalty to this game, it's just about feedback and player satisfaction.

I wouldn't really consider it shortsighted if you decide to leave a game because it doesn't support your fantasy archetype, it's a RPG - role playing game - after all, and that aspect is more important to some than others (for their enjoyment).

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Personally, I'd prefer they create a new job called Berserker or Viking that dual wields one handed axes (or hammers if they want to change it up more.) It could be an all out dos purely focused on dealing damage. Give it a buff called Berserker Fury OGCD that works like Blood for Blood (or something similar). All in all, they could make a cool class out of it if they did introduce it as dps. I'd be really happy, that's for sure.