Creation Magic and Summoning

[TheMightyMollusk]

Presumably, anyone capable of manipulating aether is capable of Creation magics, but most people don't know how to do it. The amount of aether the creator pours into it seems to determine how long the creation can last on its own without consuming external aether; primals need a constant supply of crystals and faith (which, itself, may just be another way of focusing aether into the target), while Emet-Selch's recreation of Amaurot continues to endure after his death (not to mention releasing Archeotania to roam the Tempest).

I kinda wonder how these revelations play into Fray and Myste from the dark knight job quests. Especially with Myste, who would seem to be a summon who can create more summons, like a primal creating adds to fight for them.

[Vyrerus]

Presumably, anyone capable of manipulating aether is capable of Creation magics, but most people don't know how to do it. The amount of aether the creator pours into it seems to determine how long the creation can last on its own without consuming external aether; primals need a constant supply of crystals and faith (which, itself, may just be another way of focusing aether into the target), while Emet-Selch's recreation of Amaurot continues to endure after his death (not to mention releasing Archeotania to roam the Tempest).

I kinda wonder how these revelations play into Fray and Myste from the dark knight job quests. Especially with Myste, who would seem to be a summon who can create more summons, like a primal creating adds to fight for them.

Oh neat, the actual Final Fantasy Twintania from FF5 is a fate boss I've never seen

As far as Amaurot recreation goes, to me it's clear that Emet-Selch remade the place in a way that is self sustained, because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to fight us at his fullest. Course, maybe he needs to juice his creation every now and again too.

As far as Myste and Fray go, they are reflections of the WoL's soul and psyche, so in essence part of him. It's kind of like Multiple Personality Disorder/Dissociative Identity Disorder. They're all still the WoL, but they have their own whims and egos and wills.

[TheMightyMollusk]

As far as Myste and Fray go, they are reflections of the WoL's soul and psyche, so in essence part of him. It's kind of like Multiple Personality Disorder/Dissociative Identity Disorder. They're all still the WoL, but they have their own whims and egos and wills.

Yeah, but that doesn't answer the question of how they manifested physical bodies. (Fray's presence is somewhat ambiguous during most of the 30-50 quests, until the final one where he uses the original Fray's corpse before abandoning it to manifest as a copy of the player, but he does appear in the flesh in the 70 quest, right in front of Sidurgu and Rielle, so it's still relevant.) Are they more-or-less primals? Is it Creation magic? We don't really know.

[Vyrerus]

Yeah, but that doesn't answer the question of how they manifested physical bodies. (Fray's presence is somewhat ambiguous during most of the 30-50 quests, until the final one where he uses the original Fray's corpse before abandoning it to manifest as a copy of the player, but he does appear in the flesh in the 70 quest, right in front of Sidurgu and Rielle, so it's still relevant.) Are they more-or-less primals? Is it Creation magic? We don't really know.

Well it would seem to be fairly similar. I mean, Myste takes half of the WoL's aether to create the simulacra of the loved ones in the early 60s quests, and then Sidurgu and Fray's father figure mentor in the 65 quest, complete with wickedly powerful abilities, supposedly exacerbated by Sidurgu's memories of his mentor/adoptive father being unbeatable. But they're unlike primals or creation magicks in that they exert no will of their own, rather the perceived will of the person whose memory was drawn upon, and some of them know they are simulacra. They can't temper, and they are more or less real people until they dissipate since Myste can't manifest them for very long.

Also when they do dissipate you get to take your aether back, it doesn't disperse back to the planet or anything. If anything they're most similar to the Memoria solo instance entities that we fight in Cid's memory. Only they are brought out of memory and made tangible in what's considered the physical plane of existence. It's probably attributable to Creation Magic, in the same way that Emet-Selch recreates a vision of his past, his memories, they are the same as that.

[Asildor]

Presumably, anyone capable of manipulating aether is capable of Creation magics, but most people don't know how to do it. The amount of aether the creator pours into it seems to determine how long the creation can last on its own without consuming external aether; primals need a constant supply of crystals and faith (which, itself, may just be another way of focusing aether into the target), while Emet-Selch's recreation of Amaurot continues to endure after his death (not to mention releasing Archeotania to roam the Tempest).

I kinda wonder how these revelations play into Fray and Myste from the dark knight job quests. Especially with Myste, who would seem to be a summon who can create more summons, like a primal creating adds to fight for them.

Just a personal theory but I think it has to do with us being sundered, of course, amount of aether is an important matter as well but during the Amaroth questline, we were tasked with weaving an item into existence, not only did we need to gather aether, but npc also mentioned how it felt like we were imcapable of mentally casting the magic.

I think that is why summoner summons aren't indefinate. We are using a less perfected version of creation magics, downed from primal summoning which ascians taught beast tribes to sow chaos and imbalance of aether. (Hence primals feeding on aether constantly)

My theory is that is exactly why summoner needs runes and symbols to guide their magics, or the combine faith of a whole group. It is because we do not have the mental understanding and instinct to weave such interacate rules for aether purely within our minds.

Essentially our creations 'leak' aether and cannot hold a stable form without constant feed, unlike I imagine proper creation magic where creations are alive and well far after their creation.

We have even seen spriggans being created, a race of monsters that had far outlasted the race of ancients who created them. Cleary ancients creations do not require a constant feed of aether.