Plz Shorten the timer for FC plot buying attempt!

[Khalithar]

Folks are getting too caught up in arguing over this. Instead of arguing, we should all be united in demanding instanced housing so that every individual and free company can have one.

I've said it so many times and I'll reiterate it again here:

If you have the gil, you and/or your FC should be able to get a house of whatever size you can afford.

Anything less than that is, and will ALWAYS be, unacceptable.

[TwistedTea]

Folks are getting too caught up in arguing over this. Instead of arguing, we should all be united in demanding instanced housing so that every individual and free company can have one.

I've said it so many times and I'll reiterate it again here:

If you have the gil, you and/or your FC should be able to get a house of whatever size you can afford.

Anything less than that is, and will ALWAYS be, unacceptable.

Exactly, this all comes down to SE not having gone with instanced housing in the first place like other major MMORPGs.

Yet, over the years they have doubled down on the persistent ward housing.

Considering that SE seems to be averse to reworking the housing system,these solutions would go a long way:

1. Upgradeable apartments with balconies for gardens
2. Delink the FC workshop from FC housing and link it to the GC instead,making the workshop individual content.

[Khalithar]

1. Upgradeable apartments with balconies for gardens
2. Delink the FC workshop from FC housing and link it to the GC instead,making the workshop individual content.

If we really have to have the wards remain than at least giving the option for workshop/gardening to non-house owners would be a fantastic step. While these are excellent ideas I'll keep arguing for revamping the housing system. When I see people arguing over the scraps of the housing system like this, it only makes me realize that the forced scarcity and the arguments over obtaining house isn't the problem. These arguments are symptoms of a much greater problem, namely the broken housing system.

You fix the system, you fix the symptoms.

[Yshtola]

FCs take up 27.9% of the houses on the NA DCs and are offering housing to more players than personal housing. Yall are barking at the wrong tree. You wanna complain? Go after personal housing.

[Avidria]

FCs take up 27.9% of the houses on the NA DCs and are offering housing to more players than personal housing. Yall are barking at the wrong tree. You wanna complain? Go after personal housing.

Not necessarily. A lot of those FCs could easily be solo or few-member FCs, as evidenced by several people in this thread, and even FCs with more people don't necessarily mean that all or even many of the FC members have access to all of the features of that house. Odds are only a few have access to things like decoration, gardening, and the workshop, and those rewards may or may not get shared around. FCs have the potential to offer housing to far more people, but in practice it isn't necessarily the case that they actually do.

Sure members can get their own room to personalize, but that's dependent on their staying in the guild (and not leaving or getting kicked), the FC continuing to exist and/or own the house. Personally I haven't bought an FC room in years because my ability to keep it isn't as much in my control and my own personal house is. That and, I think they changed this, but there was a time when houses couldn't be relocated while a member owned a room - which resulted in me being kicked out of my FC while offline so they could move to a larger house.

And on the flip side, every personal house can have tenants - I myself have two, and I'd love to be able to allow more. Me and my friends share housing resources all the time across our houses, especially the gardens.

This isn't a black/white us vs them issue.

[Yshtola]

Not necessarily. A lot of those FCs could easily be solo or few-member FCs, as evidenced by several people in this thread, and even FCs with more people don't necessarily mean that all or even many of the FC members have access to all of the features of that house. Odds are only a few have access to things like decoration, gardening, and the workshop, and those rewards may or may not get shared around. FCs have the potential to offer housing to far more people, but in practice it isn't necessarily the case that they actually do.

Sure members can get their own room to personalize, but that's dependent on their staying in the guild (and not leaving or getting kicked), the FC continuing to exist and/or own the house. Personally I haven't bought an FC room in years because my ability to keep it isn't as much in my control and my own personal house is. That and, I think they changed this, but there was a time when houses couldn't be relocated while a member owned a room - which resulted in me being kicked out of my FC while offline so they could move to a larger house.

And on the flip side, every personal house can have tenants - I myself have two, and I'd love to be able to allow more. Me and my friends share housing resources all the time across our houses, especially the gardens.

This isn't a black/white us vs them issue.

Thanks for pointing out how inferior personal housing is compared to FC housing. If players chose to stay in FCs where their aspirations are being kept in check, that's on them.

[Avidria]

Thanks for pointing out how inferior personal housing is compared to FC housing. If players chose to stay in FCs where their aspirations are being kept in check, that's on them.

Ok actually just gonna rewrite this reply because it's not even making sense to me rereading it

This isn't a matter of which type of housing is inferior or superior. Both have flaws, and both have room for improvement. My point was that every FC occupying a house is not necessarily offering more housing to anyone than a personal house. Whether or not people enjoy being in FCs that don't let them decorate or get the benefits of workshop and garden doesn't matter - that FC still exists and is still occupying a housing plot.

The fact is personal housing exists, and it really doesn't matter whether anyone thinks it should or shouldn't. The players aren't the core of the problems with housing. Saying personal housing is the reason there's a problem is all well and good, but removing it now would only serve to upset or at best disappoint everyone who has and enjoys a personal house. The ship has already sailed.

I'm of the opinion that there are a lot of things they could do to improve things for everyone. Some of them would maybe even mean they could reduce or remove the timer entirely. Whether they'll do them is another matter.

[ShariusTC]

If one man FC can be smart enough to get the FC house, what multi man FC without house do? Cry in the forum corner about you cant get a house?

Dude, just make all of your member go out there and hunt for one, that not something rocket scientist, your FC member just lazy

[Doki]

Limit land ownership to a single plot PER ACCOUNT. That alone would free up several wards worth of server space.

[Khalithar]

Limit land ownership to a single plot PER ACCOUNT. That alone would free up several wards worth of server space.

As long as they retroactively strip the accounts that have more than one house with a full gil refund, I'm all for this. Though if an account has more than one house they should be able to choose the one they get to keep at the very least.