Can we please get aggro management back?

[Gemina]

Threat management: Yes
Tank stances: No

I liked aggro combos. It gave another skill branch, additional animations, and the ability to mix up openers depending on what you were fighting. Granted, my tanking experience is solely with DRK, but the simplification of aggro management has taken away a good portion of engagement with enemies. However, I do get that modern tanks need to focus on mitigating damage as much as possible, and I would surmise that the current status of tanks is more meta driven than dev. When players basically say, "Eff tank stance, mas deeps!" all I can say is that I'm not surprised.

[Derby_Crash]

Threat management: Yes
Tank stances: No

I liked aggro combos. It gave another skill branch, additional animations, and the ability to mix up openers depending on what you were fighting. Granted, my tanking experience is solely with DRK, but the simplification of aggro management has taken away a good portion of engagement with enemies. However, I do get that modern tanks need to focus on mitigating damage as much as possible, and I would surmise that the current status of tanks is more meta driven than dev. When players basically say, "Eff tank stance, mas deeps!" all I can say is that I'm not surprised.

I personally miss the animation of Power Slash so much. It keeps me awake at night. T^T

[Fynlar]

No thanks. Tanks who were convinced they were DPS with blue icons, particularly Warriors, were just grating on the nerves. They don't need a resurgence.

When I ran into tanks like that I simply tried to kick them to leave the group. Seems odd to not want something because bad players will be bad. Should we really balance the game from the bottom up?

If I tried to kick every tank that was like this (assuming I even could, because I'm pretty sure vote dismiss has a cooldown), I wouldn't ever get anything done on healer or DPS, except low level dungeons that don't even really need a tank.

[Videra]

No thanks. Tanks who were convinced they were DPS with blue icons, particularly Warriors, were just grating on the nerves. They don't need a resurgence.

It really doesn't help that going into Deliverance/Sword Oath was objectively the better way to play. Higher DPS ended fights faster, end of story. And if you were playing with remotely competent human beings, threat was a non-issue. Plus, by pushing damage, you also pushed aggro generation.

[Ultimatecalibur]

It really doesn't help that going into Deliverance/Sword Oath was objectively the better way to play. Higher DPS ended fights faster, end of story. And if you were playing with remotely competent human beings, threat was a non-issue. Plus, by pushing damage, you also pushed aggro generation.

Part of that was Tanks having ways of boosting dps and/or enmity generation to the point that enmity combos and tank stances were unneeded.

For example, during HW the following roughly happened: A tank outside of stances did 1000 dps. In tank stance they would do 800 dps and this dps would generate 1600 enmity, in dps stance tanks did 1100 dps, and dps jobs were tuned to deal ~1500 dps. Now lets say the tanks had a way to increase their base dps by 25% (*cough* Str Accessories *cough*) suddenly tanks are doing 1000 damage for 2000 enmity in tank stance and were doing ~1375 dps in dps stance. You now had tanks that could nearly keep up with dps and if given a good enough head start could hold enmity through a 10 min fight while having nearly 100% dps stance uptime.

StB was a caused by a theoretically enmity neutral tank swap tool (Shirk) combing with other tank swap tools (Provoke and Ultimatum) to create a combo that could increase the MTs enmity to 156% and the OT's enmity to 93.75% the MT's starting enmity every 2 minutes.

[Venur]

Aggro manageman in MMO is just a cockhold for DPS. You have a super burst opener that would be so fun to release but nop, wait till the tank have aggro.

It doesn't requiert more skill from the DPS its just a boring little feature.

Square should just remove tank passive mitigation and replace it with active mitigation/avoidance to make tanks funs.