Can we please get aggro management back?

[Derby_Crash]

Yeah, I agree that the threat system in Stormblood (and you can even argue throughout FFXIV) was flawed, but I'd gladly take what Stormblood had over just pushing one button and forgetting about it. At least there was SOMETHING. And not to mention the other effects the tank stances had, such as Warrior's increased health and health restoration from magic or Paladin's 20% or something damage received down.

[ForteNightshade]

Yeah, I agree that the threat system in Stormblood (and you can even argue throughout FFXIV) was flawed, but I'd gladly take what Stormblood had over just pushing one button and forgetting about it. At least there was SOMETHING. And not to mention the other effects the tank stances had, such as Warrior's increased health and health restoration from magic or Paladin's 20% or something damage received down.

Warrior was literally that already in Stormblood. You did a single GCD (Tomahawk) in Defiance and hit Unchained which negated the 25% damage penalty. You then did your standard Storm's Eye combo turned on Deliverance and never touched Defiance again. Butcher's Block was essentially non-existent 99% of the time. Stormblood aggro management was essentially yelling at the DPS for not using Diversion properly. Which I will admit, I do kind of mess. It amused me greatly just how much some people would whine over pressing a single button that did absolutely nothing to impact their damage.

[Xau]

Yeah, I agree that the threat system in Stormblood (and you can even argue throughout FFXIV) was flawed, but I'd gladly take what Stormblood had over just pushing one button and forgetting about it. At least there was SOMETHING. And not to mention the other effects the tank stances had, such as Warrior's increased health and health restoration from magic or Paladin's 20% or something damage received down.

i personally prefer the current system over the one where the responsivility of tank managing agro is shoved to the other roles because mah dps!

[TyrTry]

i personally prefer the current system over the one where the responsivility of tank managing agro is shoved to the other roles because mah dps!

I mean...that is the job of a dps though; to pump out as much dps as possible. I had more issues with "mah dps" from tanks back in Heavensward when STR accessories were a thing and tanks who absolutely REFUSED to turn on Tanks Stance, because DPS Stance was so much better....until we all died.

There was enmity reducers back then, yes, but if the tank actively refused to use the tools provided themselves, then I don't blame the other players for not using their's as well.

[ForteNightshade]

I mean...that is the job of a dps though; to pump out as much dps as possible. I had more issues with "mah dps" from tanks back in Heavensward when STR accessories were a thing and tanks who absolutely REFUSED to turn on Tanks Stance, because DPS Stance was so much better....until we all died.

There was enmity reducers back then, yes, but if the tank actively refused to use the tools provided themselves, then I don't blame the other players for not using their's as well.

That's a poor argument. Those aggro tools on DPS cost them nothing whereas Tank Stance was a massively DPS loss. In fact, Tank Stance was so bad, it was a raid DPS loss to turn it on instead of having Monk use Purification; keeping in mind Purification was linked to Forbidden Charka. So in other words, Monk giving up a 300+ potency attack (whatever it was back then) was less of a loss than forcing a Dark Knight to turn on Grit and do a Power Slash combo.

Of course tanks did far more damage back than relative to the DPS. So while that would no longer be the case in Shadowbringers, it still speaks volumes on how poorly thought out Tank Stance was and why tanks never wanted to use it.

[TyrTry]

That's a poor argument. Those aggro tools on DPS cost them nothing whereas Tank Stance was a massively DPS loss. In fact, Tank Stance was so bad, it was a raid DPS loss to turn it on instead of having Monk use Purification; keeping in mind Purification was linked to Forbidden Charka. So in other words, Monk giving up a 300+ potency attack (whatever it was back then) was less of a loss than forcing a Dark Knight to turn on Grit and do a Power Slash combo.

Of course tanks did far more damage back than relative to the DPS. So while that would no longer be the case in Shadowbringers, it still speaks volumes on how poorly thought out Tank Stance was and why tanks never wanted to use it.

Perhaps. But it was never my attempt to argue.

I spent too much time in past arguing over the differences between tank stance vs dps stance that I eventually got tired of it. I'm aware of the dps loss and all that info (I use to stance dance all the time and gotten into plenty heated debates over it). I've been chewed out repeatedly for tanking in dps stance or for tanking too much in tank stance.

It was just in my experience that the "mah dps" mentality mostly came from the tanks I would que up with expecting others to accommodate for them when aggro exploded. It wasn't often, but it was notable.

[Videra]

Threat Management hasn't been a thing since The Burning Crusade. Let it be dead.

[Granyala]

Threat Management hasn't been a thing since The Burning Crusade. Let it be dead.

Man those were the times. Having to throttle as a Shadow Priest and hovering at 115% tank aggro surely was fun.
I was always the aggro b*** of the raid, esp on encounters that did raid wide, persistent AoE.

As a tank: aggro is fun, if you have a chance. But in later incarnations of the game, being behind 10-20 item levels made holding aggro very frustrating as a hobby tank. XIV was starting to develop similar problems in late Heavensward, so SE took Blizzards Cataclysm approach and made aggro a non issue.

[Awha]

I wish they made aggro management more complex, and dynamic. Though at the very least since I have been playing aggro management has been overall nonexistent, maybe it "could" have been a issue when you ran into a group that refused to use aggro dumps and as a tank you were pushing for max spa. Though even then aggro management was not so much an issue from a tank perceptive in the eyes of the devs since we had tank stance, only was an issue when the tank wanted to do max dps and the their team could not be bothered to use aggro dumps and forced the tank to use an extra aggro combo.

In short SE will not give tanks more personal responsibility in the form of more dynamic and active aggro control for the same reason they will not give healers more doses options. They feel making the easier less to manage will make it more welcoming.

[Esmoire]

Why?

If it's to bring complexity to tanks, I rather focus on adding depth to their kit. As a WAR main I feel like we could use a little more nuance, for example, but I rather that be done with ways that suit the job. Enmity stuff created a burden of more buttons for what was ultimately a shallow outcome.