Geomancer

[GucciSan]

4. The lore book didn't say they're the same thing as Conjurer though. Using the same elements is not the same thing as being the same job. Again, we can just look at Red Mage, where it uses some of the same elements, same role, and even has a balance feature like Black Mage. That's a lot more overlap than a hypothetical Geomancer as, if nothing else, it's unlikely it would use lilies as a gimmick. Since Red Mage can be different from Black Mage Geomancer could be different from White Mage, especially when they don't even use the same elements anymore (and really two spells and a wonky ability is not the same thing as an entire job).

But they do use the same elements though; the best way to think of it is if they decided to add a Cleric to the game, but made it a tank with a hammer; you now have two tanks fulfilling the Holy Protector Knight theme. They’re technically both different on paper, with different skills with different applications, but the Job Fantasy is essentially the same, one just originated from a different location. People say it’d be WHM 2.0 because thematically speaking it kind of is; they both tune to their respective elements (The Elementals and Tengu IIRC) with strong ties to nature. One just loses theirs but it’s still at the core of their Job’s origins. They could rewrite WHM lore so they never had their druid CNJ start but they might as well focus that work on a new Job that doesn’t bleed into one that we already have.

And with RDM there may be some overlap with BLM in terms of spell usage but the key difference is the Class Fantasy. You play BLM if you want to feel like a sorcerer with big spells; you play RDM if you want to feel like a swashbuckling mage with quick fire spells and baller style. There are completely different feelings each Job offers that caters to people looking for that specific thing. It’s a lot harder to separate the class fantasy of two healers with ties to nature.

[BasicBlake]

But they do use the same elements though; the best way to think of it is if they decided to add a Cleric to the game, but made it a tank with a hammer; you now have two tanks fulfilling the Holy Protector Knight theme. They’re technically both different on paper, with different skills with different applications, but the Job Fantasy is essentially the same, one just originated from a different location. People say it’d be WHM 2.0 because thematically speaking it kind of is; they both tune to their respective elements (The Elementals and Tengu IIRC) with strong ties to nature. One just loses theirs but it’s still at the core of their Job’s origins. They could rewrite WHM lore so they never had their druid CNJ start but they might as well focus that work on a new Job that doesn’t bleed into one that we already have.

And with RDM there may be some overlap with BLM in terms of spell usage but the key difference is the Class Fantasy. You play BLM if you want to feel like a sorcerer with big spells; you play RDM if you want to feel like a swashbuckling mage with quick fire spells and baller style. There are completely different feelings each Job offers that caters to people looking for that specific thing. It’s a lot harder to separate the class fantasy of two healers with ties to nature.

Your cleric comparison is way better than what I had put. This is what I was trying to get out there. Thank you! Bless.