Quote Originally Posted by JamieRose View Post
So Shiva Unreal has been a good reminder of why EX/Savage endgame stuff sucks. Rude people who scream, yell and point fingers when things go wrong, which is all the time.

Lemme guess. That's part and parcel of endgame, being crapped on by "expert raiders"?

I mean I doubt anyone else here thought about where all that stress was coming from.
I've cleared it 4 times with 4 fresh groups and the worst an 'expert raider' did was leave quietly when it was clear the group was incompetent.

On the other hand, I saw lots of 'casual' players taking it way too seriously, particularly people who had run the original fight years ago and saw it as an opportunity to posture and go on an ego trip.

Not saying your experience is invalid, but I don't think it's necessarily tipped one way or the other. The community for this game is fairly toxic in general, and Shiva Unreal is a really frustrating fight for a lot of people so it's bringing out some nastiness from both camps.

Shiva Unreal is tuned in a way that makes it significantly harder to carry people, as compared to the other SHB exs.