General Community Resistant to Healer Damage?

[Videra]

And probably a small percentage of players that force randoms in roulette's to this idea is probably why healers get less and less. If you are playing with friends or a group that is created with a goal a certain detail to attention and skill is to be expected. If you random it if they can breathe and press 2 buttons that is a success.



When will this community learn that SE punishes the players that demand more from random groups. If people would keep their mouths shut maybe healers wouldn't be gutted. But you get a healer that isn't dpsing enough and then someone has to make the situation more miserable.



I would like to see more buffs and debuffs. Which would be a different type of dps increase. But we would end up the same situation where players can't keep their mouths shut when random group gets a scrub and SE nerfs it to one button.

I mean, it's fact: there is a right way and a wrong way to play your class in FFXIV. Me asking someone to press glare and stop spamming cure 2 on me at 90% HP is not me asking for much. I'm not going to apologize for expecting more, no matter the form of content. Also, you've got it twisted backwards a little - SE wasn't directly responding to the sane among us who want basic competence. They were directly responding to the people who want the 'Pure Healer' GARBAGE half AFK playstyle to be justified. Look at the sheer amount of times Yoshi has said 'Healer DPS doesn't matter', even if that's clearly a massive lie.


Cursed edit: I fully expect SE to do some monkey's paw stuff and basically roll-back the healer skill ceiling to HW and give us beloved abilities back again next expansion. The caveat? 'This action cannot be used in instances.' Cower before the honestly kind of plausible future of LIMITED HEALER DPS.

[BlitzAceRush]

I'm just going to quote myself from a conversation I had with some friends, it sums up my issue with healers.

"if you described 14's healers to someone who knew nothing about 14 "Basically you deal as much damage as you can but when needed you heal but only when you really have to, you want to heal as little as possible and deal as much damage as you can" They'd likely think you're some kind of attacking support, not a primary healer."

I play a healer to heal, but in 14 I'm praised for focusing as little on that as possible.

[Nedkel]

90% of healers in this game would love to have more damaging spells.
The decision made by SE to cut it out against the community will and taste is beyond my level of understanding. Dont they see white mage right now is the most played healer and job in the entire game? Since he is more interesting to play, has nice dps spells to use and people like it including me.
Schoolar and astrologian are just a failure, i cant get myself into playing them because how terribly boring they are.

[Moonlite]

I mean, it's fact: there is a right way and a wrong way to play your class in FFXIV. Me asking someone to press glare and stop spamming cure 2 on me at 90% HP is not me asking for much. I'm not going to apologize for expecting more, no matter the form of content. Also, you've got it twisted backwards a little - SE wasn't directly responding to the sane among us who want basic competence. They were directly responding to the people who want the 'Pure Healer' GARBAGE half AFK playstyle to be justified. Look at the sheer amount of times Yoshi has said 'Healer DPS doesn't matter', even if that's clearly a massive lie.


Cursed edit: I fully expect SE to do some monkey's paw stuff and basically roll-back the healer skill ceiling to HW and give us beloved abilities back again next expansion. The caveat? 'This action cannot be used in instances.' Cower before the honestly kind of plausible future of LIMITED HEALER DPS.

Duty finder asking for over breathing might be too much some days. You can't even get players to not stand in the giant orange circles. It just feels SE reacts to defend the lowest tier of player and when players ask for people to just not spam cure that hurts their feelings. SE is in the defend peoples feeling business, even if that is wrong. If the players that have hurt feelings are the pure healers along with the scrubs SE is still siding with them.


I would be more then happy with dps skills added to open world. They could add cleric stance back certain skills only available with cleric stance and cleric stance not castable in instances. Would suck if you are trying to two man something though.

[Billythepancake]

I'm just going to quote myself from a conversation I had with some friends, it sums up my issue with healers.

"if you described 14's healers to someone who knew nothing about 14 "Basically you deal as much damage as you can but when needed you heal but only when you really have to, you want to heal as little as possible and deal as much damage as you can" They'd likely think you're some kind of attacking support, not a primary healer."

I play a healer to heal, but in 14 I'm praised for focusing as little on that as possible.

I actually love that design philosophy, it just makes sense to me for everyone on the battlefield to contribute to damage.

I just hate that it feels like I'm punished for doing well because I'm left with nothing interesting to do.
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[BlitzAceRush]

I mean, it's fact: there is a right way and a wrong way to play your class in FFXIV. Me asking someone to press glare and stop spamming cure 2 on me at 90% HP is not me asking for much. I'm not going to apologize for expecting more, no matter the form of content. Also, you've got it twisted backwards a little - SE wasn't directly responding to the sane among us who want basic competence. They were directly responding to the people who want the 'Pure Healer' GARBAGE half AFK playstyle to be justified. Look at the sheer amount of times Yoshi has said 'Healer DPS doesn't matter', even if that's clearly a massive lie.


Cursed edit: I fully expect SE to do some monkey's paw stuff and basically roll-back the healer skill ceiling to HW and give us beloved abilities back again next expansion. The caveat? 'This action cannot be used in instances.' Cower before the honestly kind of plausible future of LIMITED HEALER DPS.

My friend wanted that for the last two years, so he'd be happy. As for me, if it would finally let me do the role I enjoy without someone screaming "Do more DPS" or "If I'm not bellow 20% Y U Heal me?!" then I could accept having my DPS skills not work in instances.

[BlitzAceRush]

I actually love that design philosophy, it just makes sense to me for everyone on the battlefield to contribute to damage.

I just hate that it feels like I'm punished for doing well because I'm left with nothing interesting to do.
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My problem isn't with contributing, it's that I'd rather heal and do the role I signed up for. I want 14 to have me heal, I shouldn't be able to spend most of my time DPS'ing no matter how good I am. I shouldn't be praying for things to go wrong in order for me to be a healer.

[Billythepancake]

My problem isn't with contributing, it's that I'd rather heal and do the role I signed up for. I want 14 to have me heal, I shouldn't be able to spend most of my time DPS'ing no matter how good I am. I shouldn't be praying for things to go wrong in order for me to be a healer.

Maybe I'd feel worse about it if the healing was actually interesting. Outside of say, earthly star and horoscope, there are no heals that do anything more than "press a button then watch HP bars go up."

[Nedkel]

My friend wanted that for the last two years, so he'd be happy. As for me, if it would finally let me do the role I enjoy without someone screaming "Do more DPS" or "If I'm not bellow 20% Y U Heal me?!" then I could accept having my DPS skills not work in instances.

Are you watching youtube on the second screen when running a duty? Because thats virtually the only thing that comes to my mind when i see a healer wanting to heal only in this game.
Without dpsing you are standing idle for half of the time or overhealing 200%, why?

[NanaWiloh]

The reasoning is the same for tanks too and that s the reason I don't want to run savage anymore in FFXIV. Healing and tank gameplay is so terrible in raids in FFXIV that it needs to rely on making them DPS to bring some amount of skill in the endgame equation.

Last time this topic came up I took a 45 minute browse through FFlogs. The logs for healers in savage showed they had one thing in common, 50%-70% of their total button presses in a fight were dps spells. In a few rare cases I saw they got up to 80%.. I am not against healers dpsing during a fight but this needs to be fixed. Healing spells should be getting used far more then DPS spells, especially if we are going to have limited dps spells...like come on put us to work.