General Community Resistant to Healer Damage?

[FoxCh40s]

Watch this explode, but I'm curious; why is there so much disdain for healers doing damage, or having more than 2 buttons to press for damage in any situation presented?

If Dps had 2 buttons to press since level 8 you guys would go nuts over this and demand changes. So why are people (generally ones who are ignorant of the role) so resistant to this suggestion when it is brought up in any way?

Do you guys enjoy having bad healers que for the quick play and actually make the dungeon harder and take longer? Are you generally unconcerned with the real exodus of very long term healers vacating the role?

Why does Square Enix continue to ignore this issue, post zero statements about it, and ignore it harder than when Machinists were crying out how awful their class felt to play? Why is healers doing the same any different, but looked upon with such disgust?

Alright guys, tear it to shreds like you usually do; I'm legit taking notes.

[AduroT]

Excuse you, sir, but my White Mage has four (4!) buttons to press for damage! Actually, wait, I just got a fifth... Five (5!) buttons to press for damage! That more than Double your assertion!

[FoxCh40s]

Excuse you, sir, but my White Mage has four (4!) buttons to press for damage! Actually, wait, I just got a fifth... Five (5!) buttons to press for damage! That more than Double your assertion!

And one of them is a damage loss over Glare. Sad, I do love watching those 80k crits over mobs and the black mage critting at the same time with foul for like 120k.

[Recon1o6]

I've wondered this myself for ages. After all nobody complained in HW or SB about healers doing damage or doing buffs/debuffs when they didn't need to heal (which was and still is around 70% of the time)
Maybe the wow refugees trying to bring their style of healing over? i haven't played that so idk, but I've heard damage is more random there.

Props to you mate, you got balls

[Averax]

I've wondered this myself for ages. After all nobody complained in HW or SB about healers doing damage or doing buffs/debuffs when they didn't need to heal (which was and still is around 70% of the time)
Maybe the wow refugees trying to bring their style of healing over? i haven't played that so idk, but I've heard damage is more random there.

Props to you mate, you got balls

People complained a lot about healers dpsing pre-stormblood, cleric stance made it a lot more unforgiving because you couldn't just go rapidly back and forth between damage and healing. It lead to a lot of oops moments because a healer would switch into cleric stance, something bad would happen, and they couldn't deal with it for 5 seconds.

The problem healers currently face is that there is just not enough for them to do, outside of unavoidable damage. More and more mechanics are the mess up and die type of damage, so there's nothing for a healer to fix other than offer a rez and get straight back to dpsing. Healers are complaining about having to dps because that's pretty much all they do.

[technole]

People complained a lot about healers dpsing pre-stormblood, cleric stance made it a lot more unforgiving because you couldn't just go rapidly back and forth between damage and healing. It lead to a lot of oops moments because a healer would switch into cleric stance, something bad would happen, and they couldn't deal with it for 5 seconds.

The problem healers currently face is that there is just not enough for them to do, outside of unavoidable damage. More and more mechanics are the mess up and die type of damage, so there's nothing for a healer to fix other than offer a rez and get straight back to dpsing. Healers are complaining about having to dps because that's pretty much all they do.

It's basically the damage/healer curve I mentioned previously, it has to go up a bit in both savage and casual content to really cut the amount of healer DPS to keep pace with the additional one-button healing available. It gets to the point where WHM just burns lilies as overheal just to get to misery damage.

Now the other side of the token where tank aggro is stupid easy, unless you are asleep at the wheel. Along with bosses no longer hitting tanks for critical damage in savage or ultimate, which also cuts down the utility of skills like healer regen, and SCH fairy tether. You are just better off using one-button Tetra/Excog to save on GCD single heals.

The battle team dismantled healing requirements with so many little cuts here and there.

[Alestorm]

Honestly I think if healers were more like pre-SHB SCH I think people would possibly be more interested in healing. Having multiple options for dps would be nice and make questing/solo content more interesting. One can only cast 1 primary damage spell and DoT so many times before it just gets old, especially how little it can do.

But our focus as healers is to keep others alive, and enable our tanks to make big pulls.... until they eat 5 tank busters in rapid succession....

[Avidria]

It's not disdain for me really. I just prefer to be spending the majority of my time on my healer actually healing, and that's just not how this game is. If things are going well, you basically spend more time as a dps than a healer, and I'm not terribly interested in that. Which is why I only use my whm for hunts really, and effectively act like a dps that has an easier time keeping themself alive and can always toss resses to people :P if I'm doing actual instanced content, I'm dpsing (or sometimes tanking). The style of healing in this game just isn't my thing.

I am wondering what disdain you're actually seeing though. Most of the complaints I've seen is that healers don't have enough buttons to push and that they're dull and boring. I mean I never liked scholar, but it felt freaking stupid awful having exactly one (1) aoe, and it doesn't even have a good animation. Yes, let me uhhhhh slam my book on the ground a few times, that's reasonable, probably. Suuuuper meh.

[AduroT]

I’d probably settle for a proc in all honesty. X% when casting the primary damage spell, or during a DoT tick, that you can now cast this other spell for additional damage. Just a little something extra to show you’re paying attention.

[EtherRose]

I don't mind it when healers do damage. The main point of this all is when these "Healer's" think they are a DPS. They spend more time trying to DPS than healing which results in people dying which then causes a wipe. Iv'e seen it happen, healer's get into DPS'ing to much and don't heal and people die. Which causes of course, longer runs.