General Community Resistant to Healer Damage?

[Lersayil]

40%? Maybe in a properly coordinated run where people only take the absolute minimum necessary damage.

In full DF runs where its every man for himself with wild swings in individual skill, I can look at data across an entire non EX trial fight that puts the Healers outgoing damage making up only 25% of their total actions taken. And thats a Healer who was matching the Tank on damage.

I was actually thinking of casual DF. PF pugs can be hit or miss. And even then, I think 40% is still an overstatement given the massive amount of oGDCs we have (unless the group is an absolute disaster, in which case you have bigger issues than healer dps).

But to reiterate, I think its fair to expect someone to utilize at least ~75% of their GCD time usefully in any level of play. If that time is filled with useful healing then fine. But otherwise I expect them to sit on that dps button.

[Sylve]

I was actually thinking of casual DF. PF pugs can be hit or miss. And even then, I think 40% is still an overstatement given the massive amount of oGDCs we have (unless the group is an absolute disaster, in which case you have bigger issues than healer dps).

But to reiterate, I think its fair to expect someone to utilize at least ~75% of their GCD time usefully in any level of play. If that time is filled with useful healing then fine. But otherwise I expect them to sit on that dps button.

Of course. I've never disagreed with wanting Healers to be more active. I take issue with elements of the community (Which is a depressingly large element -_-) who unfairly attack Healers for not doing what they think a healer should be doing.

But you said it yourself, DF and PF is hit or miss. Sometimes you win and get that perfect group who nails every mechanic and sometimes you get that group that needs to be Raised 29 times (I counted, Never change E4 Titan).
Ours is the only Role whose primary activity is predicated on how good the Party is as a whole. Which is why i push for more unavoidable damage that isnt on a clock.
Tanks gonna Tank and DPS gonna kill. Doesn't matter how the rest of the party performs for them, what they need to do doesn't change. Not so for Healers. Every run is a difference experience sometimes, lol.

[Elladie]

I am an ABC healer. I always have been, even when CS was a thing and I was learning SCH and stance dancing made me nervous. If I'm not healing, I sneak in some DPS.

But this is what I don't get about everyone complaining about healers who stand around doing nothing. The only runs I have where I spend the majority of my time DPS-ing as a healer are runs I do with my Trusts. If I'm in a dungeon with people, the tank pulls loads, the DPS take damage, I count myself lucky if I manage to throw in any DoTs. I mean I Holy as much as I can, but that's only effective for mitigating damage the first few casts; after that everything gets a bit hair-raising. I really don't get all that much opportunity to use Art of War on SCH. Yeah on bosses I can DPS more, but I don't spend anything like 60% of my time with nothing to do (if I don't DPS). Even more so on AST.

So my question is, where are all these amazing dungeon runners that only need a minimum of healing and why are they never in my parties?

[SamRF]

I am an ABC healer. I always have been, even when CS was a thing and I was learning SCH and stance dancing made me nervous. If I'm not healing, I sneak in some DPS.

But this is what I don't get about everyone complaining about healers who stand around doing nothing. The only runs I have where I spend the majority of my time DPS-ing as a healer are runs I do with my Trusts. If I'm in a dungeon with people, the tank pulls loads, the DPS take damage, I count myself lucky if I manage to throw in any DoTs. I mean I Holy as much as I can, but that's only effective for mitigating damage the first few casts; after that everything gets a bit hair-raising. I really don't get all that much opportunity to use Art of War on SCH. Yeah on bosses I can DPS more, but I don't spend anything like 60% of my time with nothing to do (if I don't DPS). Even more so on AST.

So my question is, where are all these amazing dungeon runners that only need a minimum of healing and why are they never in my parties?

I get them all the time in DF groups (probably not the majority though). SCH especially probably has easiest time not casting a single GCD heal even for big pulls considering how many tools they have availible.

However, at least in Duty Finder, I'm fine with healers who at least don't waste their GCD with overhealing or doing nothing since it means they are putting in some effort and aren't watching TV on the side. I wouldn't mind having you in my party in DF by a long shot.

[GrimGale]

So my question is, where are all these amazing dungeon runners that only need a minimum of healing and why are they never in my parties?

You can go to FF Logs and get a huge sample of healer performances (more than 5k) both in endgame dungeons and savages. Even the average ones have 150+ casts of dps skills and around 50+ uses of healing skills (Which most are OGCDs).

[Awha]

I am an ABC healer. I always have been, even when CS was a thing and I was learning SCH and stance dancing made me nervous. If I'm not healing, I sneak in some DPS.

But this is what I don't get about everyone complaining about healers who stand around doing nothing. The only runs I have where I spend the majority of my time DPS-ing as a healer are runs I do with my Trusts. If I'm in a dungeon with people, the tank pulls loads, the DPS take damage, I count myself lucky if I manage to throw in any DoTs. I mean I Holy as much as I can, but that's only effective for mitigating damage the first few casts; after that everything gets a bit hair-raising. I really don't get all that much opportunity to use Art of War on SCH. Yeah on bosses I can DPS more, but I don't spend anything like 60% of my time with nothing to do (if I don't DPS). Even more so on AST.

So my question is, where are all these amazing dungeon runners that only need a minimum of healing and why are they never in my parties?

It comes down to pushing your own limits and making mistakes along the way. What I did when I started healing was I worked on letting people get as low as I possible could before using a heal. Many people died in the process but it is a learning curve sure I got a lot of shit for it at the start but I ignored them and kept going against my basic instinct to keep people topped off or even start healing when someone drops below 50%. I learned when I needed to heal and when I didn't based off the situation and even group. Now even with a horrible tank I can still spend a large percentage of my time doing damage. Unless I run into a horrible tank with horrible gear, doing large pulls and standing in everything. I personally am not good enough to heal through that while still being able to do damage but I have seen healers that can, and it is amazing to watch.