General Community Resistant to Healer Damage?

[Lilseph]

You can very easily tune the mana

I wish you good luck balancing that for every single piece of content from levelling dungeons all the way to the ultimates, and also against Piety.

As for expert dungeon tuning: Once a new tier comes, the old tome gear can be bought for the scrip that are unlimited. So I see no reason whatsoever to not tune them to the target of the unaugmented old script gear. By halfing the cost of the old gear, newbies could very easily grind it out in the older dungeons, get ready for expert and expert could drop gear that was actually useful to them at the item level of the upgraded old tome gear.

I think you misunderstood. The point was that the reason expert dungeons are so easy is that a lot of players are severely overgeared beyond the minimum. What was asked was to increase the difficulty, which would consequently require the minimum ilvl cap to increase to compensate. The Developers always have to accommodate for players who just don't have the time for extended play sessions too. Having them blocked behind a significant grind wall is going to deter them from playing.

The only dangerous thing in there were undergeared tanks that thought: "imma awesome, imma pull EVERYTHING™"

Isn't that literally what you're asking for? To make it so that healers are constantly healing? Why is that a problem now? Genuinely curious.

Edit: To clarify, I'm interested to know why having undergeared tanks that make it be more dangerous be something that's a problem. If every dungeon operated the same way where the game treats every tank as undergeared, would that solve the issue? Again, just genuinely curious.

[Granyala]

I wish you good luck balancing that for every single piece of content from levelling dungeons all the way to the ultimates, and also against Piety.

The Developers always have to accommodate for players who just don't have the time for extended play sessions too. Having them blocked behind a significant grind wall is going to deter them from playing.

Isn't that literally what you're asking for? To make it so that healers are constantly healing? Why is that a problem now? Genuinely curious.

Edit: To clarify, I'm interested to know why having undergeared tanks that make it be more dangerous be something that's a problem.

1) It's a math problem. Low level content doesn't need razor sharp balance like Ultimate does. It's okay if it is a bit easier. Focus would be on balancing max level. Piety is not a problem, because it's quantity is quite limited. Very easy to make sure players don't reach OP territory via diminishing returns for stacking the stat.

2) Well, this is a point on which we simply disagree. Tome gear is incredibly easy to farm, esp if they were to cut it's cost in half. I'm ver much against balancing the majority of content in an MMO around virtually inactive people.

3) I merely pointed out what could be dangerous in the mentioned dungeon: an undergeared tank can pull more than he can handle and easily receive so much incoming damage that a healer can no longer keep up even with heavy heal spam. It's a danger that should be present in all properly tuned content and the fun lies in finding out what the particular tank and healer can handle. Now, obviously that includes pulling too much and wiping now and then, sth. that random groups are, for some irrational reason, very much afraid of. Don't ask me why.

[Morningstar1337]

3) I merely pointed out what could be dangerous in the mentioned dungeon: an undergeared tank can pull more than he can handle and easily receive so much incoming damage that a healer can no longer keep up even with heavy heal spam. It's a danger that should be present in all properly tuned content and the fun lies in finding out what the particular tank and healer can handle. Now, obviously that includes pulling too much and wiping now and then, sth. that random groups are, for some irrational reason, very much afraid of. Don't ask me why.

A mix of impatience, opportunity cost and entitlement would be my guess. The general opinion of dungeon and raids being easy content, as been attested to in the Tales form Duty Finder thread recently, mean that they are little more than an obligation to a reward they feel entitled too. Thus they dislike anything that delays them "inevitably" getting said reward (in those cases, tomestones and/or EXP and possiblygear/GC seals). Wipes being the obvious. It also means that they run multiples to maximize their rewards, which would be deterred if most of them were made to take 30-40 min each rather than around 15-20 min.s

The thing is, SE started catering to that mindset as early as 2.X when Pharos Sirius and the difficulty were a topic of debate and whn SE nerfed the dungeon (despite being in "Expert" roulette ATT AFAIK)