Tanking in FF14 question

[ArianeEwah]

You have a 3-button combo to build a charge. Once you build a charge, you get a six button combo that's on a short (IIRC, 30 second?) cooldown and a single-button spender of that charge if it's on cooldown.

No other class in the game has a 6 button combo unless you want to count Mudras and even that isn't 6-button, it's only 4. DRG also has a 5-button combo but nobody else gets a 6. And not only is it a 6 button combo, but it's also beside the standard 3 button combo everybody else has.

Sorry, I just have to comment on this. Gnashing Fang combo is not 6 buttons long! It's 6 actions, 3 of them merged into 1 button. With this the Gnashing Fang comob is actually 4 buttons. That is the same amount of buttons as NIN mudra, but the whole mudra mechanic has 12 actions (Ten, Chi, Jin, and all 9 mudras, not including the "Ten-Chi-Jin" ability).
And technically, Gnashing fang is still a 3-skill combo with 1 oGCD button, while mudra is not even a "combo" to begin with. Off-topic, but I just had to clear things up.

[Maeka]

Sorry, I just have to comment on this. Gnashing Fang combo is not 6 buttons long! It's 6 actions, 3 of them merged into 1 button. With this the Gnashing Fang comob is actually 4 buttons. That is the same amount of buttons as NIN mudra, but the whole mudra mechanic has 12 actions (Ten, Chi, Jin, and all 9 mudras, not including the "Ten-Chi-Jin" ability).
And technically, Gnashing fang is still a 3-skill combo with 1 oGCD button, while mudra is not even a "combo" to begin with. Off-topic, but I just had to clear things up.

Seriously? You're going to argue on semantics?

There's not much difference between pressing 1-2-3-4-5-6 and 1-2-3-2-4-2. You're still pressing 6 button presses in a very specific sequence that cannot be broken up by anything other than oGCDs, you know, just like a normal combo.

Your argument on the Ninjutsu/Mudra mechanic is even more laughable.

It's 2-4 button presses, but you get different effects out of it depending on what order you hit the buttons in, but no matter how you roll the dice, it's still 2-4 button presses, therefore it might as well be a 2-4 button combo. Just because it isn't labelled a "combo" like other combos in the game doesn't mean it's not essentially the same thing as a combo. It's still 2-4 button presses you must hit in the proper order to achieve the desired effect.

Though I will admit I forgot about TCJ.

[ArianeEwah]

Seriously? You're going to argue on semantics?

I just pointed out you didn't differentiate between actions and actual buttons correctly?!

You mention mudras, and say they are 4 buttons that change into different actions, yet you count Gnashing Fang combo as 6 buttons?
You are doing a sequence of 4 different buttons that's 6 clicks long, but that doesn't mean you press 6 different buttons (on your hotbar).

You're actually saying it yourself during your own post, I don't get why are so upset?!

[Maeka]

I just pointed out you didn't differentiate between actions and actual buttons correctly?!

You mention mudras, and say they are 4 buttons that change into different actions, yet you count Gnashing Fang combo as 6 buttons?
You are doing a sequence of 4 different buttons that's 6 clicks long, but that doesn't mean you press 6 different buttons (on your hotbar).

You're actually saying it yourself during your own post, I don't get why are so upset?!

You're saying "It's not a 6 button combo because you're only pressing 4 buttons".

I'm saying "it is a 6 button combo because it's 6 button presses even if a few of those buttons are duplicates, it's still a sequence of 6 button presses that must be pressed in a specific order and cannot be broken up by anything other than an oGCD just like any other combo."

You then go "Mudras are 12 actions!" .... no.... Mudras are 4 button presses. Not 12. Not 9. They're 4. Well, between 2 and 4 anyhow. There are simply different versions of those that produce different effects, but you're still pressing between 2 and 4 buttons in a specific sequence, and they must be done exactly that way to get it to work (or, well, all but one have two different ways you could do it and get it to do what you want, if you wanted to get really semantic about it). You can't go counting all the combinations and treat it as if they are entirely one combo, lol. It doesn't work like that.

EDIT: Also I'm not seeing where you are getting the 6 button presses on Mudra thing. You use 3 different mudra and then the Ninjutsu button to activate it. That's only 4. You can't really count Kassatsu as being a part of that, if that's what you're referring to, because you could use Kassatsu, IIRC, and use a weaponskill inbetween Kassatsu and still get the Ninjutsu out. You get 15 seconds to execute your Ninjutsu which easily gives you time to land a weaponskill or two without interrupting it, so no, Kassatsu is not part of a combo. If you're referring to TCJ, then that doesn't even work because you activate TCJ, then do the 3 mudras and end up with 3 Ninjutsu, so you're still only doing a 4-button sequence.

Where are you getting the 6 buttons from? If you're trying to tell me that, say, a Huton+Katon = 6 button combo, that doesn't work because you could do Huton and then something else, and then Katon and as such, that's not all 1 combo, but 2 separate combos. /end edit

But I'm starting to get the feeling you're just trying to be a semantics troll, to be honest.

To be more clear, I'm defining a "combo" as a sequence of button presses that must be done in a specific order and cannot be interrupted or broken up by anything other than oGCD abilities otherwise the whole thing just falls apart. It either won't work, won't give you the effect you want, or just can't be done at all (the abilities are greyed out).

For example, Ninjutsu... If you do it the wrong way, you get the wrong Ninjutsu. Or, if you wait too long, you get a bunny and lose the whole thing. Using a non-oGCD ability during this is most likely (I think always? not sure) going to cause you to get a bunny because the window is very tiny between Mudra uses.
The GNB Gnashing Fang combo? If you use anything other than an oGCD, the combo you had going just plain ends right there, on the last non-oGCD ability and you lose the rest of the combo and quite a bit of DPS in so-doing.

And so it is with any other combo, the use of any non-oGCD weaponskill or spell breaks it. Therefore, I consider them the same as I do combos. Whether or not any button presses are duplicated (like Gnashing Fang) is irrelevant, because they are still needing to be done in order and cannot be interrupted in the middle of it or you lose the rest of the combo.