Tanking in FF14 question

[Claire_Pendragon]

weaving in windows

honestly a good point, but it also applies to DRK.
Which now brings us to WARs being the job with the least oGCDs to press.
So as off tanks, we agree, they are more equal, but MT DRK and GNB have an extra step over WAR.

[Hierro]

honestly a good point, but it also applies to DRK.
Which now brings us to WARs being the job with the least oGCDs to press.
So as off tanks, we agree, they are more equal, but MT DRK and GNB have an extra step over WAR.

I'm going to disagree on DRK. The only window where double weaving is a big no-no is during BW, but again, it's not as intrusive because it's only half the duration of NM. Weaving becomes a hassle only during pot windows, where all oGCDs are going to align for big damage, and I can only recall E2S as an instance where a tank buster came during such a pot window. Easily handled because those prominent moments are NOT frequent, you can easily pop a cooldown ahead of time.

Since I'm very experienced with MTing as BOTH WAR and DRK, I actually think it's slightly more engaging to play WAR, but I'm going to add the caveat that's only the case when you're trying to capitalize on your HPS potential. Otherwise, if you default to playing like a discount DRK and use RI over NF, yeah it's slightly easier but it's a big waste of potential.

[shao32]

challenge excepted!
honestly, people wont like I say it, but there's another job roughly just as brain dead. but unlike DRK or WAR, it actually feels nice, and fun to play, so we dont stop to think about its brain dead playstyle as much... and its GNB.
There is no DoT management, you use it when its ready, which is the equivalent of an oGCD use.
It would be more simple than even DRK, if you didnt want to line up your 50% gauge spender to be in your burst window. Along with your continuation combo.
Neither of those are hard to DO, but they arent something most players think to do. So in short, its "technically" less brain dead, but the execution is roughly~ the same level of difficulty.

If there was not raid buffs that force you to religiously keep everything on check to keep the integrity of the rotation or complety delay you gnasing fang combo and other stuff to re-alineate everything again i could agree, GNB and PLD base they dificulty on this specially to archive the maximun benefic and thats why outside of being better designed with minimun downtimes and more diverse gameplay they are more harder to optimize and feels good to play with then bcs of that.

GNB have the thing of squeeze you defensive skills betwen you no mercy window like Hierro mention yeah and since im always MT it's something i love to do bcs is a extra layer of optimization i have to keep in mind so it's as close i could get the level of complexity and gameplay i use to have with DRK in the past in this lame expansion we as tanks we have to live.

still i miss a lot the raid buff independence DRK use to enjoy basing all his complexity on his own kit and the freedom to dealt with it and no being a slave of raid buffs like it is right now.

[Claire_Pendragon]

raid buffs

a fair argument to make. i personally put that in a second category for maximizing the jobs, but not quite "standard" play, entry level, or base design. but its still important to take into consideration.

EDIT: hit post limit for the day, so cant reply till tomorrow.

[XeroXelence]

Really love the class balance. SE does an amazing job at it. Play what you want not what people say you should play. Those people should go play WoW. Thats how that game is so toxic.

Over there they dont have fun they download 3rd party crap to monitor everyone's dps then kick people out. Or imagine being kicked because everyone was i500 and you were i490 for a raid that needed to be i440. Game is stupid there.

FF14 is the best mmo out there! Been playing since 2.0

Im almost done with PLD to 80 for my 2nd tank.

[BarretOblivion]

Really love the class balance. SE does an amazing job at it. Play what you want not what people say you should play. Those people should go play WoW. Thats how that game is so toxic.

Over there they dont have fun they download 3rd party crap to monitor everyone's dps then kick people out. Or imagine being kicked because everyone was i500 and you were i490 for a raid that needed to be i440. Game is stupid there.

FF14 is the best mmo out there! Been playing since 2.0

Im almost done with PLD to 80 for my 2nd tank.

Bleh, to heck with balance if it means playing any of a role is unenjoyable. Balance means beans cause having two buttons to mash can be balanced too.

[Leiron]

Bleh, to heck with balance if it means playing any of a role is unenjoyable. Balance means beans cause having two buttons to mash can be balanced too.

Thing is you can have unenjoyable roles without balance as well.
I do think there is room for improvement for the roles so they play better, but it feels better when you can pick any role and succeed rather than be forced to go meta.

[BarretOblivion]

Thing is you can have unenjoyable roles without balance as well.
I do think there is room for improvement for the roles so they play better, but it feels better when you can pick any role and succeed rather than be forced to go meta.

Even in SB, you weren't forced to go into the meta. Need I remind everyone World's First of UCOB was with a DRK. The 'meta' of SB was due to poor design on DRK and SE taking to long to adjust/fix skills on DRK. At the end DRK was actually pretty good, but it was competing against PLD as an OT and most groups prefered all the raid wide mitigation PLD provided while DRK didn't have one. That was the core reasoning why DRK was wonky, WAR was the best MT to pull, and PLD was great at the MT. You could still play DRK and do really well with it. If you want to play an off meta Tank, then just do it. If the group gets butthurt about it... find a different group.
I played SAM in SB, and SAM was not meta, people get over it.

[Leiron]

Even in SB, you weren't forced to go into the meta. Need I remind everyone World's First of UCOB was with a DRK. The 'meta' of SB was due to poor design on DRK and SE taking to long to adjust/fix skills on DRK. At the end DRK was actually pretty good, but it was competing against PLD as an OT and most groups prefered all the raid wide mitigation PLD provided while DRK didn't have one. That was the core reasoning why DRK was wonky, WAR was the best MT to pull, and PLD was great at the MT. You could still play DRK and do really well with it. If you want to play an off meta Tank, then just do it. If the group gets butthurt about it... find a different group.
I played SAM in SB, and SAM was not meta, people get over it.

Not disagreeing with that notion, simply speaking in general.

[MerlinCross]

Really love the class balance. SE does an amazing job at it. Play what you want not what people say you should play. Those people should go play WoW. Thats how that game is so toxic.

Over there they dont have fun they download 3rd party crap to monitor everyone's dps then kick people out. Or imagine being kicked because everyone was i500 and you were i490 for a raid that needed to be i440. Game is stupid there.

FF14 is the best mmo out there! Been playing since 2.0

Im almost done with PLD to 80 for my 2nd tank.

Balanced doesn’t mean fun, ask any version of MNK it seems.

Are there some people that take balance too far and exclude some jobs due to meta? Yeah but that’s not the rule here and I’m thankful for it.

Doesn’t mean jobs should be in the state they are in now.