6.0 Both Tank and Healers Need Major Focus on Bringing Back Job Identity

[Absurdity]

shadowflare is removed even from summoner aka removed from the game

"Well summoner lost it as well" doesn't really justify the removal in the first place and unlike SCH, SMN actually gained some new aoe.

He got critical increase for the party, to compansate for that dots bane aoe dps he had. IF you add potencies of dots they result to art of war,

He did not, Chain Stratagem isn't a thing that came with ShB and that's like comparing apples and oranges anyway, especially since CS only works on one enemy.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that your dot spread with Bane indeed adds up to the potency of Art of War spam, that stil leaves Miasma 2 and Shadowflare as aoe potency SCH lost but gained nothing for in return.

You got your answer above. Schs got nothing in return. Too dramatic. And obviously a lie. I dunno why its tiring when someone express their opinion, maybe cause its different ? Maybe you are upset that your whining doesnt affect all community ? Healer were always simple in their dps skills even when we had cleric stance that was harder to deal with. Crying to the forums that the dps is boring cause u are pressing 3 buttons instead of 5 is stupid in my opinion. If you want more complex dps skills pick a dps. Not once in a million SE will add more dps tools to healers. You cry all day here . Peace

And you haven't made a single good argument in every single post I have seen from you so far on this topic, "it's fine because that's the way SE made it" is rather weak. Everything you say can be summed up as "healer fine". Sure healer dpsing was never complex but it certainly had more to it than spamming the same button over and over again for 7-8 minutes out of a 13 minute fight.



If you enjoy mindlessly spamming a single button all the time that's great, many people do not and adding more complexity back into healers certainly wouldn't stop anyone from continuing to spam that 1 button, you just wouldn't perform as well as healers who want to put in a bit more effort.

and instead of lame 3% at. Speed or was is 2%? He got critical increase for the party,

SCH had both Chain Stratagem and Fey Wind in Stormblood. We didn't get a crit buff for the party but simply lost our haste buff, you either don't know what you're talking about or are willfully using false information to support your claim. Peace

[Kazukiyashuo]

And you haven't made a single good argument in every single post I have seen from you so far on this topic, "it's fine because that's the way SE made it" is rather weak. Everything you say can be summed up as "healer fine". Sure healer dpsing was never complex but it certainly had more to it than spamming the same button over and over again for 7-8 minutes out of a 13 minute fight.



If you enjoy mindlessly spamming a single button all the time that's great, many people do not and adding more complexity back into healers certainly wouldn't stop anyone from continuing to spam that 1 button, you just wouldn't perform as well as healers who want to put in a bit more effort.



SCH had both Chain Stratagem and Fey Wind in Stormblood. We didn't get a crit buff for the party but simply lost our haste buff, you either don't know what you're talking about or are willfully using false information to support your claim. Peace

Well maybe u dont see well cause i made my arguments just fine. About the fey and chain statagem i didnt remember that they coexisted in stormblood. So im sorry for that. I might as well tell you fey wasnt always a buff but a debuff cause it could derail rotations of some dps jobs. Are u shocked ? I think you are not. Its just u have to support the " poor little sch lost so many dps skills and now we are forced to press 1 button " which is false anyway. Peace

[QooEr]

this dude is the epitome of the duning-kruger effect lmao

[Kazukiyashuo]

this dude is the epitome of the duning-kruger effect lmao

At least im adding something constructive to the thread. If they gonna cry for months for loosing miasma 2 that had a near 0 contribution anyway with its lame potency and shadowflare which is removed from the game not just sch for a reason. Then so be it. That wont stop me from expressing my opinion. You from the other side add nothing to the thread . >.<

[Absurdity]

If they gonna cry for months for loosing miasma 2 that had a near 0 contribution anyway with its lame potency

Guess I'll tell you a little secret, you used Miasma 2 to weave even in single target because it's dot made it better than Ruin 2 if your mp allowed for it.

At least im adding something constructive to the thread.

If your definition of constructive is repeating that healers are fine the way they are with every post then yes...otherwise no.

I might as well tell you fey wasnt always a buff but a debuff cause it could derail rotations of some dps jobs.

Yes, as any other buff that influences your GCD can be a detriment to certain job rotations and if your group composition made Selene an issue you could simply switch to Eos, now you have no choice at all.

[Kazukiyashuo]

Guess I'll tell you a little secret, you used Miasma 2 to weave even in single target because it's dot made it better than Ruin 2 if your mp allowed for it.



If your definition of constructive is repeating that healers are fine the way they are with every post then yes...otherwise no.

You know what? You are right. They should give miasma 2 back, with the same potency and mp cost though and i really wanna see your mp managent after that and how often u will use it. it will make your dps rotation less monotonous than now. What about fey light ? No comment ? Got you there i guess
Constructive is any comment that adds to the thread even if u disagree with it. It still adds something. Free speech you know.

[Kazukiyashuo]

Yes, as any other buff that influences your GCD can be a detriment to certain job rotations and if your group composition made Selene an issue you could simply switch to Eos, now you have no choice at all.

There are no more gcd alteration skills in the game, for a reason. Still shc bring that up like its a loss to their kit. Poor schs. Boom brain exploded

[bundythenoob]

if there's one aspect about old tanking i do miss, it was the passive abilities of tank stances. I would love to see the tank stances return as more than just a blue emnity button. something simple like

WAR- Increase HP pool by 30% and self healing by 20%
DRK- increase defence by 10% and damage dealt by 10%
PLD- increase defence by 10% and block rate by 20%
GNB- increase defence by 10% and parry rate by 20%

something to give each of the tanks more unique flavour by complementing their gameplay.
then we can do away with that awful lv 1 mastery trait that only bloats our HP pools and passive mitigation, thus making active usage of mitigation skills more important again. they could even introduce dps stances with simple benefits to further complement our kits. maybe dps stances change the 1-2-3 into the old emnity combos? maybe certain skills can only be used in dps stance (such as edge of shadow for DRK)
not sure but just something to add a little more job identity back

[Absurdity]

" poor little sch lost so many dps skills and now we are forced to press 1 button " which is false anyway. Peace

I did a little experiment and picked a random 89th percentile E5s log off fflogs. It has 140 Broil casts, now let's assume said SCH has a recast of 2.4 seconds which is faster than the BiS would be but whatever. This adds up to 336 seconds or 5.6 minutes of just spamming the same button in a fight that lasted 8 minutes 47 seconds.

Constructive is any comment that adds to the thread even if u disagree with it. It still adds something. Free speech you know

What you're doing is about as constructive as if I were just going "healer bad, SE fix". You're certainly free to do so and I will use my free speech in return to tell you that your arguments are terrible because not only is it basically the same argument over and over but you also barely explain why you think the current design is so much better.

if there's one aspect about old tanking i do miss, it was the passive abilities of tank stances. I would love to see the tank stances return as more than just a blue emnity button. something simple like

WAR- Increase HP pool by 30% and self healing by 20%
DRK- increase defence by 10% and damage dealt by 10%
PLD- increase defence by 10% and block rate by 20%
GNB- increase defence by 10% and parry rate by 20%

something to give each of the tanks more unique flavour by complementing their gameplay.
then we can do away with that awful lv 1 mastery trait that only bloats our HP pools and passive mitigation, thus making active usage of mitigation skills more important again. they could even introduce dps stances with simple benefits to further complement our kits. maybe dps stances change the 1-2-3 into the old emnity combos? maybe certain skills can only be used in dps stance (such as edge of shadow for DRK)
not sure but just something to add a little more job identity back

The passive mitigation we gain from our mastery trait is rather pointless anyway since the tank damage bosses do is already adjusted for the trait, so we're not really taking less damage.
I do quite like the idea, maybe I'm biased because I liked WAR's huge HP pool. They would however have to remove or severely nerf Darkside though, you can't just give DRK a flat 10% damage buff and there is also the issue of parry becoming absolutely useless if the boss has auto attacks that deal magic damage.

[QooEr]

if it was in the toolkit and its not anymore its a loss, regardless of what you think.

scholar lost bane but you just brushed it off for whatever reason despite sch needing something to spend aetherflows on during pulls.

wether smn lost or kept shadowflare is inconsequential to the conversation because theyre separate jobs and sch still ultimately lost the skill, and nothing to replace its niche. (gave slow to mobs to mitigate damage during pulls and most importantly it was a cooldown to look out for when executing their rotation.

scholar still lost miasma 1, despite smn keeping it.

finally just because you in your Grey-tness didnt use skills like miasma ii or fey wind, doesn't mean others didn't use or like them.

sch also lost the ability to use fairy skills without using a weave spot and to cast embrace on whichever target they desired



if you seriously think all scholar lost was "2 dots", you were never a good scholar to begin with.