Getting a New House Feels Impossible

[LalafellDown]

Having the timer is fair because it give anyone a chance at the limited housing. It sound punishing, but that’s because the people who really want it now have a chance to fight for it. In the past housing would be all taken up and there wouldn’t even be a thing called chance. I understand the frustration, but if the timer never existed this post would be worded differently to say there are no houses left and we need more houses.

If it wasn’t for the timer I would’ve never been able to pick up a house. I stumbled on my house by chance. No one picked it up and the timer was gone. Otherwise I wouldn’t have a chance at it like all the times before.

If the timer existed and I still didn’t have a house. I would still agree with the timer because it gives others a chance.

I would want a house for everyone, but because we can’t have that it has to be limited like this to prevent the resellers for taking it all up. I wish The Devs would implement a one house per account rule. Doesn’t matter if you have a FC or privet house. You can only have one. Also if you join a FC you cannot have a house of your own unless you’re the FC leader who owns a privet house or the FC house.

[Drkdays]

I honestly don't mind the invisible timer as much as I do the stupid length of the timer. A player should not have to suffer through camping a placard and earnestly clicking it for sixteen hours before falling asleep, only to wake up three hours later in a panic and see it went to someone that they hadn't even seen arrive. A full day wasted for nothing. Nor do I think the relocation ability of those who already have a house fair. There should be a time limit of, say, four hours on the plot before it is no longer possible to relocate.

[Lissandra]

I honestly don't mind the invisible timer as much as I do the stupid length of the timer. A player should not have to suffer through camping a placard and earnestly clicking it for sixteen hours before falling asleep, only to wake up three hours later in a panic and see it went to someone that they hadn't even seen arrive. A full day wasted for nothing. Nor do I think the relocation ability of those who already have a house fair. There should be a time limit of, say, four hours on the plot before it is no longer possible to relocate.

This might have been mentioned before, but why not lower the timer by a huge margin and subject relocation to the same restrictions as purchasing? Basically, you cannot relocate to it until the house is actually able to be purchased. Then they would have to sit there and spam with potential buyers.

[Awha]

This might have been mentioned before, but why not lower the timer by a huge margin and subject relocation to the same restrictions as purchasing? Basically, you cannot relocate to it until the house is actually able to be purchased. Then they would have to sit there and spam with potential buyers.

I do think having relocation not subject to the same timer as buying as a little silly tbh. Granted, I have messed with people using relocation, even so I do think it only makes sense to have both share the same timer.

[Drkdays]

If there is a way to abuse something, people will find a way to do it. That's been true since forever, both inside video games and out. It's tempting to just give up on asking them mot to, and trying to force someone to not act this way is something only scholars and teachers can do... It's because rules are merely guidelines for morality and can never encompass all they mean to without stealing freedom. And also, those who do the abusing often fail to see the harm they do, especially in video games. It's easy to say that since the system is flawed and has been for a long time, it's basically an invitation to continue the abuse. It's easy to say that even if they relinquish one of their homes, who's to say it won't just go to another house hoarder, accomplishing nothing both loss on their part. And the worst part is they may even be right, because of the very system that invites abuse. No one can fault house hoarders for their actions, but nor can they ever be expected to be accepted. Long story short, it's the gamer's fault, but that's to be expected. Mostly it's SE's fault for not being more clear in what their rules really mean as guidelines. Change must come from within. Within themselves and within the game. Let's not forget that SE is composed of individuals, too. We just have to be patient and keep asking. Change FC standards and find a way to ease the strain of house camping, for the good of all. Rather sooner than later, or I fear for their game's popularity. Perhaps the new housing zone will be the cure. It's still very unclear.

[Awha]

Thing is I do not think any of this is an issue with the players. Getting more then one house per character or server does not require an exploit. So what metric can we use to say their actions are wrong? If they are not breaking any rules can we say it is wrong?

That is my beef, people are placing blame on those who are operating within the rules of the game placed by SE. Sure it may go against the intent of SE's vision, but it is like people getting upset rising pitch forks against others for choosing to not follow what amounts nothing more then a suggestion or a guideline.

In the end SE needs to figure out if they wish to keep the system ward based then they need change the rules for good and do not silently revert them thinking no one will notice. And tell people housing as it currently stands is finite people will have a hard time getting a plot. It may not be our end goal, but as it stands this is the current system we are working to improve it, but outside factors make it harder. Let people know housing is not going to be for everyone from the start.

Either way I am a fairly binary person so. I know people have hope for the new housing zone, but SE track record with housing leaves much to desired. Though I have my bias since I do own multiple plots. Hard to example it does not bother me per se if people think what I am doing wrong, I just wish people would aim their ire at those with the power instead of those working within the system.

[Drkdays]

That one kid who sees a bowl of candy with a sign above it reading, "please take just one," and grabs a whole handful. Clearly it's just the sign-maker's fault for not being more specific and restrictive.

[Awha]

That one kid who sees a bowl of candy with a sign above it reading, "please take just one," and grabs a whole handful. Clearly it's just the sign-maker's fault for not being more specific and restrictive.

Way I see it clearly the peoples fault for not enforcing it. My parents did the same thing during Halloween they would leave the candy outside the door with a sign, and my old man would complain and get upset when one kid took the whole thing.

Like what did you expect? Want to be lazy and put the burden on people to police themselves do not get shocked or even blame them if they go against your not enforced suggestion..

Granted if I want to make sure something is done a certain way I make sure to oversight it personally and stop any issues I may have before they become a habit.

Guess the long and short expect the worst, hope for the best.

[Sauteed]

I am not un-caring about people who cannot get a house, I am rather disturbed the development team has seen this blossoming for however many years endlessly and have done so little. They have done SOMETHING, a few times, releasing new wards etc, but it's like putting a drop of water on a dumpster fire steadily speeding toward a hay stack. If they've got something under cover to surprise the player base with I'd say like a year ago was the time to unveil it. If this Ishgardian housing comes out and it's again a "ward neighborhood" system where there's a few large plots a handful of mediums and a gaggle of smalls, in a limited number of wards to choose from, I'm pretty sure they'll be learning how to deal with an exodus of players, and seeing more infuriated customers pissed off about the raging dumpster fire and being kept away from what I'd say are important parts of the game.

I could say "if I were in that position I'd have done this differently" but I'm not in their position. Still, sometimes I find myself saying "why the heck is this like this".. or "If I was *insert position* I'd have done this entirely differently". I do not feel the current system is a benefit to the player base in any real tangible way, I like countless others have a house in a ward where I may see 1 or 2 other people a week that actually live there. I invite people to my place often, it is a dance hall / bar and the house itself gets lots of use. I'm glad I have it. That over an "instanced" house that everyone can have a copy of does not matter to me. I would even prefer if they just made every city that gets houses "instanced" situations where you can walk up to an NPC or Gateway, and choose from a list very similar to apartments that teleports you to an instanced zone that some one owns or you yourself own. It could be a house floating on an island somewhere with a huge yard or whatever and the house sitting there for you to customize as you see fit, and every one can get one. Have a market board accessible either from the instance or just outside the instance. Give people the option to upgrade their plot for a similar amount of gil to the current in game housing market , and adjust as needed for inflation / deflation or whatever else.

[Sauteed]

Go back to limiting housing to FC's or whatever other measures are needed. But this current madness and people (rightly) flipping out on the forum and not receiving any kind of official statement (and I'm speaking of Ishgard restoration stuff here), about their future intentions for housing is just disturbing to me. I'd like to know just what we are getting from all this ishgardian restoration stuff, is it more of the same? Is it anything at all other than some npc's giving us an atta'boy? Is it going to be an instanced version of a house that we can upgrade over time given to us through the course of the MSQ? Is it just gonna be a small house that everyone gets as a starter home that will NOT be upgrade-able? Just give us something to at least give people an idea of what to expect. If it just HAS to be a super top secret secret, I don't think it'll be a secret when your players start flipping back out about the same song and dance getting sung and danced.

Please forgive the multi-posts the automated forum controls kept me from posting a longer post, and also limited by time as well.