Getting out of hand

[negiman4]

I made the thread about raiding becoming less optional the OP is referencing. He’s right about all the semantics going on in that thread. It’s really stupid. Like arguing with a bunch of lawyers about what the word “is” is.

That said, I love this game (obviously) and this is one of the better communities I’ve been a part of.

The forums of any game are just weird. I made that thread knowing the kind of hate I was going to get.

Oh, please. It is not "semantics". There's a real and HUGE difference between alliance raids and 8-man hardcore raids, and people like you lump em together as "raids" to spread panic that SE is going to start requiring people to be hardcore raiders in order to complete MSQ. Your title in that thread is intentionally misleading and you're trying to draw attention to such a non-issue that's only supposed to be a one-time deal because of the content of the MSQ's story. Then, when people tell you that you're worrying about nothing and that SE will never require you to raid to do MSQ, you're just like "lol haters gonna hate".

You're either willfully ignorant at best or intellectually dishonest at worst.

[Lium]

You're either willfully ignorant at best or intellectually dishonest at worst.

Pot, meet kettle. Also known as negiman4.

[negiman4]

Pot, meet kettle. Also known as negiman4.

Oh damn you got me fam. That stings, real bad.

As if you know what that expression even means, because you're using it wrong. Your post amounts to little more than "no u", because you have nothing of substance to come back with. I invite you to point out a single dishonest or ignorant post I've made. And "mean words I don't like" don't count. Meanwhile, just your previous post completely and intentionally misrepresents the conversation going on in the other thread. You know full well people aren't just arguing semantics, and you know full well that the difference between alliance raids and 8 man raids is crucial to the conversation. You don't actually believe SE is going to start requiring us to do random unrelated stuff for MSQ. Nobody is that dumb. But you'll just keep parroting this nonsense that people are just hating on you so you don't have to accept responsibility for making a thread that makes zero sense.

[Avidria]

Its funny because its true. xD

Crafting revamp just made RMT bots job easier to earn GIL, and made it worse for all rest of players.
It was an ultimately unneeded and unfun thing they have implemented in the long time. Crafting is not fun, making gil is, but how in the hell are you going to make gil if the market if bloated with bots beating price on every single item?
The latest patches crafting based are complete waste of time and money, instead of more battle content 90% of players came for, nah lets make crafting for the niche minority that is doing it only for gil.
Also its really discouraging if you realize how much effort is being put in housing, instead of fixing viera and hrothgar issues, instead of giving us more hairstyles and upgrading the oldest character creator in mmorpg history how about you get some completely useless stuff into your house where you already cant place anymore items hmm?

Devs are doing everything in their power to not do stuff that majority is asking for, even fixing hilarious 2B glamour bugs took them a couple of months.

I mean, everyone playing has different interests and priorities, it kinda comes with the MMO territory. I know people who've gone days in row doing nothing but crafting. Some people just enjoy it. Some people are here for the story and friends more than the combat. Giving more things to do is absolutely not, imo, a waste of time. Having an absolute ton of crap to do is a huge part of why I played WoW for 15 years, and the only reason I'm not anymore is because of some of the downright head scratching decisions Blizz has made over the last few years.

Also, effort into housing? The only effort I've seen is them adding more housing items, which they've always done, and while I do enjoy them greatly, the housing system itself is still an absolute freaking mess they've done close to nothing to address the core problems for, only slapping mediocre band-aid on top of mediocre band-aid. The actual improvements, while good, are few and far between. I agree the character creator needs an update, and the Viera and Hrothgar situation is one of the biggest negatives I have on this expansion right now, but let's not pretend any of that effort is going into housing of all places.

I don't agree with everything the dev team is doing, and in fact disagree with their choices and stance on several things, but I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say they don't care about the game.

[Lium]

Oh damn you got me fam. That stings, real bad.

It certainly seems that way, yes. Judging by the weirdly angry drivel you just assaulted your keyboard with.

You’re being willfully ignorant (and accusing me of being the same) and antagonistic, which seems to be your MO to everyone. If you have anything of actual substance to say other then, essentially, “I don’t like your opinion, it’s stupid and so are you,” I’d be happy to point out exactly why you’re wrong in this instance.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

It certainly seems that way, yes. Judging by the weirdly angry drivel you just assaulted your keyboard with.

You’re being willfully ignorant (and accusing me of being the same) and antagonistic, which seems to be your MO to everyone. If you have anything of actual substance to say other then, essentially, “I don’t like your opinion, it’s stupid and so are you,” I’d be happy to point out exactly why you’re wrong in this instance.

Speculation is by nature inherently wrong until the thing happens and it is proven right. Your speculation is wrong until the devs prove you right. So you have nothing to point out here.

And yes, you're being willfully ignorant. Because one would only compare 24-man raids to Savage raids, if they were completely clueless about the difficulty of both.

[Lium]

Speculation is by nature inherently wrong until the thing happens and it is proven right. Your speculation is wrong until the devs prove you right. So you have nothing to point out here.

And yes, you're being willfully ignorant. Because one would only compare 24-man raids to Savage raids, if they were completely clueless about the difficulty of both.

Uh...wait. Who was comparing 24-man raids to Savage raids? Where did I ever bring that up?

[Bsrking5]

Confirmed troll, Lium.

[Videra]

It's just kinda been like that forever.

[Melichoir]

-Content Sellers.
Which is a direct violation of the terms of service. Both for RMT, as well as account data sharing.

You might have to clear up what you mean. From what Ive seen, selling clears for gil and the like isnt against ToS. That being said, if they want to be "On your account" to get teh clear, thats on the end user. I dunno who is willing to share their account with a complete stranger and hope it doesnt get jacked or deleted. You play with fire and it burns you, thats on you.

-Advertisements in party finder.
People constantly using party finder for selling art, "porn" and advertising opinions (not game related) as well as discord servers.

Ive never seen this. Ever. Maybe its a new trend, but I have never seen anyone advertise to me when I joined a party or in DF. If its in the PF lists, I just ignore them. Yeah itd be nice to clean up the PF of that garbage, but its such a minor issue I dont personally care, as Im sure most people dont.

-Forums.
The forums have almost always been pretty bad, but literally, this person recently posts about "raids becoming less optional." Instead of discussing how content is becoming less optional the thread is hijacked by people saying Alliance raids are not raids. Like seriously? Who cares, the person didnt say "alliance raids are too hard" they said, that its no longer an option. Which if you want to do just the story, you should be able to. Nothing else is forced on you. You dont have to do FATEs, or Leves, or crafting to complete the story. Imagine if everything became required to complete to progress the story. I bet you'd all be complaining. Imagine end game raiders being forced to get all max level crafters and participate in Ishgard restoration, and Eureka just to unlock a raid, you'd all be crying to no end. You all complain having to do the story in the first place already.

Any mainstream social media discussion platform is gonna have a lot of cancer. As vocal as I am about my personal feelings, I also fully understand that I am only one person in a crowd of people who dont even make up a fraction of the player base. If you go to Reddit or OF here, dont expect to be given sound arguments, good tips, pro strats, or anything else. Half of what is mentioned here on the OFs is either lacking context, misunderstandings (read: User Error), or just plain malicious stupidity made to get a rise out of people. Hell, this thread is probably the same too. Point is, dont get worked up about the OFs. Pick your battles if you want to have them (and I said IF you have them, not when you have them).

-Development team.
Even the dev team doesnt care anymore. The NPCs all turn, laugh, wave, at the exact same time like sync'd robots, and every roulette is the same thing over and over, cause they cant be bothered to make more content. Its been 7 years and we've only gotten 2 Grand Company ranks, and dont get anymore battle leves, only one dungeon per patch, but we keep getting job and now crafter and gatheirng revamps. Like is the game suffereing that bad that none of the jobs or classes are balanced or fun, they have to completely remake every job and class every expansion? Who is even asking for these changes?

This is a completely subjective. Yes, the devs have a formula. Guess what, most companies do. They find what works and streamline for it. Is it always best? No, but were talking about creating a consistent production schedule with content that has wide appeal, while developing a new xpac, while correcting past issues, or condensing skills and tweaking balance to be inline for new content and mechanics. My issue here is that youre over simplifying and frankly not giving enough credit to the devs. Do I always agree with the direction the devs take? No. I have gripes too, but at least I try to think about what their position is too and offer quality feedback when possible.