A summary of healer issues

[PercibelTheren]

I think a big part of the problem is that fights seem to be focusing more and more on the choreography (which is fine) and if you mess up, the mechanic either straight up kills you unless you're a tank. That or it makes the party fail a body check and you wipe. Healing is scheduled into big raidwides and sometimes tankbusters and that's it. You can no longer save a run with clutch triage healing or a rez. If someone fails, the pull is over. Really makes me feel like there's no point in healers even being there anymore. Especially regen healers because shield healers are just much better at handling the current fights.

[vetch]

I think a big part of the problem is that fights seem to be focusing more and more on the choreography (which is fine) and if you mess up, the mechanic either straight up kills you unless you're a tank. That or it makes the party fail a body check and you wipe. Healing is scheduled into big raidwides and sometimes tankbusters and that's it. You can no longer save a run with clutch triage healing or a rez. If someone fails, the pull is over. Really makes me feel like there's no point in healers even being there anymore. Especially regen healers because shield healers are just much better at handling the current fights.

If the emphasis on choreography makes you feel like your job has no point, is it really fine?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Pushing this thread back to the 1st page once more.

[KageTokage]

There really needs to be less downtime where the healers are only hitting their DPS buttons if they're insistent on not adding any actual depth to their offensive rotations.

Routinely having sources of damage other then predictable tankbusters and raidwides would help reduce monotony. A11S is a good example of a fight that has such in the form of the persistent fire DoT after Eternal Darkness and the prey marker Hawk Blaster that requires focused healing on the target.

They promised they'd "give us more to heal" in EW, but that never actually happened in reality and they mostly just made the incoming damage slightly higher which is offset by just hitting an additional cooldown and/or heal before going back to 1 spam.

[ty_taurus]

There really needs to be less downtime where the healers are only hitting their DPS buttons if they're insistent on not adding any actual depth to their offensive rotations.

Routinely having sources of damage other then predictable tankbusters and raidwides would help reduce monotony. A11S is a good example of a fight that has such in the form of the persistent fire DoT after Eternal Darkness and the prey marker Hawk Blaster that requires focused healing on the target.

They promised they'd "give us more to heal" in EW, but that never actually happened in reality and they mostly just made the incoming damage slightly higher which is offset by just hitting an additional cooldown and/or heal before going back to 1 spam.

You'd need an ungodly high frequency of outgoing damage to actually get healers to heal more than they attack due to our inflated library of ridiculously powerful healing tools, which is apparently getting even larger. Some people have done some math on it before and you'd basically need a never ending stream of raidwide damage to start pressuring a skilled healer's resources.

[Supersnow845]

DSR the arguably hardest overall hitting fight in the game at this point requires about 20-25k HPS between the 8 players (of which about 70% comes from the healers)

If you took every healer and had them spend every oGCD they have on CD (if resources share an oGCD use the highest potency one) and spam their GCD AOE heal anytime they have enough mana to and otherwise stand around regening mana then each individual healer can put out near 70k HPS average over the course of the fight

So even if you remove all DPS/tank healing and mitigation you are barely taxing 1/3 of ONE healers theoretical HPS in the highest damage fight in the game

Healer healing strength is completely out of line with the amount of damage done

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I kinda doubt they're going to give us more to heal when they seem to be taking both heal and mit checks as interchangeable. Which... isn't entirely true.

What are they going to do to balance out the amount of collective mitigations an 8-man parties can put out now that they've decided to buff almost all non-healers' mits options? Their track record suggests me that they would only come to one conclusion: "Stand in X spot or you'll explode, Idc."

Though now that I mentioned that, it'd be funny if WHM's means of mitigation remains at 10% with 2m cooldown when everybody else and their mother receives a buff lmao.

[KageTokage]

DSR the arguably hardest overall hitting fight in the game at this point requires about 20-25k HPS between the 8 players (of which about 70% comes from the healers)

If you took every healer and had them spend every oGCD they have on CD (if resources share an oGCD use the highest potency one) and spam their GCD AOE heal anytime they have enough mana to and otherwise stand around regening mana then each individual healer can put out near 70k HPS average over the course of the fight

So even if you remove all DPS/tank healing and mitigation you are barely taxing 1/3 of ONE healers theoretical HPS in the highest damage fight in the game

Healer healing strength is completely out of line with the amount of damage done

Gee, I didn't realize it was that bad.

I guess at this point they'd have to do a total rebalancing of the game if they wanted to actually succeed at making healers heal more then they DPS.

[Absurdity]

Gee, I didn't realize it was that bad.

I guess at this point they'd have to do a total rebalancing of the game if they wanted to actually succeed at making healers heal more then they DPS.

I didn't even need to do the math to know that to make healers actually heal more than they DPS they would have to basically turn the game into World of Warcraft in regards to incoming party damage.
Anything less than that is not going to work with the attrition healing model they somehow convinced themselves we have.

[vetch]

Gee, I didn't realize it was that bad.

I guess at this point they'd have to do a total rebalancing of the game if they wanted to actually succeed at making healers heal more then they DPS.

No, they can just delete the heal kits and start over with 4-5 GCD heals apiece and 0-1 oGCDs. That's more than enough healing for ARR/HW content because that's already the kit in ARR/HW content so QED, and it's more than enough for new content because new content deals mit checks at half-minute intervals instead of damage.

Labor-intensive content rebalancing is not needed.