A summary of healer issues

[ty_taurus]

Then: 'Here is a fight where 3 people are marked for proximity damage marks, from the Dragoons dropping in on them, this means they have to go out to the edge of the arena, and that means Soil cannot cover all three of them. Additionally, the healers must heal between each blast of damage, because it hits very hard and you won't be able to survive without healing to top up after the hit'

Now (probably): 'Yeh, so same thing, but Kerachole and Holos reach the whole arena, last the full phase, and Panhaima is literally designed for 'multiple hits in a row' mechanics like this.' Or as SCH, 'Expedient not only helps you survive, it helps you get to the position too! Consolation is your Panhaima, and you can throw one Deploy Adlo out before it starts for the first of the three hits'

The one saving grace would be if there's nothing to target in that exact moment, so Pneuma cannot be used (I don't remember if there is or not), but even then if there's nothing to hit, just press E.Prog

There is a target, two in fact. That part of the fight is when the two knights appear that must be tanked apart. Since Pneuma is a line AoE, it might be possible as well for Pneuma to hit both knights. Generally they are tanked on opposite ends of the arena facing away from the center since they do frontal damage, so it's unlikely that you will get Pneuma to hit both, or that it would even matter really, but just a thought.

[ForsakenRoe]

Probably better to just stay mid and hit only one of the knights, but cover the whole arena with the 900p heal because it has a 25y radius then

Still, feeds back to previous point: back then, the highest 'burst heal' SCH had was ET Succor at like 300p, or Indom at 400. Now we've got access to a 'technically 900p burst heal', admittedly once per 2min, but the fact it's on a barrier healer of all things still boggles the mind

[ty_taurus]

Probably better to just stay mid and hit only one of the knights, but cover the whole arena with the 900p heal because it has a 25y radius then

Still, feeds back to previous point: back then, the highest 'burst heal' SCH had was ET Succor at like 300p, or Indom at 400. Now we've got access to a 'technically 900p burst heal', admittedly once per 2min, but the fact it's on a barrier healer of all things still boggles the mind

I really wish Pneuma gets reworked into an actual DPS burst instead of a burst heal. The animation feels like something powerful that needs to be built up to, and in reality it's something that's nice, but almost never necessary. That's why I've talked about wanting to change it to a higher potency attack on a 55 second cooldown that grants Zoe to the party instead of the burst heal, where Zoe increasing HP restored to the target rather than the current effect of increasing the HP you restore. That way you can use the laser right away for damage and have your next heal enhanced for when or if you need it.

[Post]

Damn. I meant to bump with my useless crap to this thread instead of the Suggestions Megathread.

If we've achieved anything with our feedback, I feel this thread has the best chance of being heard and considered.

Feels like Pneuma could at least pulse a heal from every target hit by the beam, if not have that effect multiplied by every target hit. That way you could take advantage of its trajectory in cases like Ser Janet and Adelle and still have it hit everyone. But most of SGE's tools have a ridiculous 30y range that's bigger than that whole arena anyways, so Pneuma doesn't even need to be a healing tool as is, it's worth it enough to waste the two minutes just to deal a Dosis-and-a,-half worth of damage. That's the current state of a healer's power.

[Troxbark]

Damn. I meant to bump with my useless crap to this thread instead of the Suggestions Megathread.

If we've achieved anything with our feedback, I feel this thread has the best chance of being heard and considered.

Feels like Pneuma could at least pulse a heal from every target hit by the beam, if not have that effect multiplied by every target hit. That way you could take advantage of its trajectory in cases like Ser Janet and Adelle and still have it hit everyone. But most of SGE's tools have a ridiculous 30y range that's bigger than that whole arena anyways, so Pneuma doesn't even need to be a healing tool as is, it's worth it enough to waste the two minutes just to deal a Dosis-and-a,-half worth of damage. That's the current state of a healer's power.

Current state of a sages power.

Sch bring so little to the table in comparison that it would actually be reasonable to consider them a detriment to the team.

[Renathras]

Damn. I meant to bump with my useless crap to this thread instead of the Suggestions Megathread.

If we've achieved anything with our feedback, I feel this thread has the best chance of being heard and considered.

I'm not sure THIS thread would be the most listened to.

It's super long and the OP opened with a lot of things that even many healers disagree with or that are arguably minor side issues.

A more concise list discussing things that everyone more or less agrees with would probably have worked better.

EDIT:

That is, so you don't mistake me:

A lot of the points are stated with over the top hyperbole and negative descriptors, and OP claims to speak for everyone when they do not. They did a good job in describing some of the points, but a lot of the bullet points are poor and some of the details are as well. They also do a very bad job of presenting their position as universal - not just a majority, but an absolute agreed upon thing with no dissent or differences.

[ForsakenRoe]

Sch bring so little to the table in comparison that it would actually be reasonable to consider them a detriment to the team.

It's a lot closer than that. SGE has it's positives yes, but took several buffs to get to where it is and SCH still sees a lot of use in top runs. I don't think it's going anywhere until Chain Stratagem stops existing, the exponential scaling of Crit means that SCH will always find itself used for speedkills

[Aravell]

I feel that a lot of people tend to exaggerate on how bad they think SCH is, it's not though, I've saved runs and solohealed mechanics on SCH, just like any other healer. If we want to talk about an active detriment to the party in the mitigation-heavy fight design that we have now though, that would be WHM.

[Troxbark]

I feel that a lot of people tend to exaggerate on how bad they think SCH is, it's not though, I've saved runs and solohealed mechanics on SCH, just like any other healer. If we want to talk about an active detriment to the party in the mitigation-heavy fight design that we have now though, that would be WHM.

SCH can do all that yes, but sge has far more versatility and simply does it better. A lot of people cope on chain stratagem but that does not justify the large gap between sch and sge. Sage has nearly the same shielding potential as sch, more mit options and better deployment of them, and can match whm in burst healing.

I would agree that whm is detriment on content that's on farm but is still unbeatable when it comes to prog or sloppy PF parties. However, given how one trick pony whm is that situation will never change.

[Nizzi]

SCH can do all that yes, but sge has far more versatility and simply does it better. A lot of people cope on chain stratagem but that does not justify the large gap between sch and sge. Sage has nearly the same shielding potential as sch, more mit options and better deployment of them, and can match whm in burst healing.

I would agree that whm is detriment on content that's on farm but is still unbeatable when it comes to prog or sloppy PF parties. However, given how one trick pony whm is that situation will never change.

In what content? Current level 90 content? Because in older Ults you have a point, but not current content. There's no "cope", SCH's kit is much better than SGE's? SGE does not have nearly the same shielding potential, SCH is far above it with Critlo Deployment and that gives SCH the opportunity to brute force situations SGE can't. DSR for example is an encounter that just shows how much more SCH shines over SGE. SGE doesn't have more mit over Scholar either. It should be telling that SGE has been buffed multiple times this expansion both numerically damage wise and its abilities like Holos to try and keep up with how superior Scholar is in a raid environment this expansion. Meanwhile, have you seen anything happen to Scholar except Expedient getting nerfed?