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    Allegor's Avatar
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    Something I just thought while doing an Alliance roulette. Unless you're in the main tank's party, Sage's Kardia is entirely useless. I can't even play the "switch it around party members" game when nobody's even taking damage. I know Alliance raids (and dungeons, for that matter) aren't the game's main attraction or focus of balance, but dang, outright neglecting a job's main theme? that doesn't sit right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Something I just thought while doing an Alliance roulette. Unless you're in the main tank's party, Sage's Kardia is entirely useless. I can't even play the "switch it around party members" game when nobody's even taking damage. I know Alliance raids (and dungeons, for that matter) aren't the game's main attraction or focus of balance, but dang, outright neglecting a job's main theme? that doesn't sit right.
    If no one is taking damage then almost every skill for most healers is going to be useless since the majority are heals. That's going to leave DPS and buffs, which is not much variety or skill expression, especially on lower lever content when you don't even get access to skills like macrocosmos.
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    It's like that with all the healers.

    Embrace? Excog? Sacred Soil? Sorry, party only. Pls spam Lustrate on the ally.
    COpp? Earthly Star? CU? Lady of freaking Crowns? Sorry, party only. Pls spam Essential Dignity on the ally.

    Even WHM only gets 3 options without dipping into hardcasts.

    On the other hand, I get it. Alliance raid fights usually use only one tank. Imagine how hard bosses would need to hit to not be trivialized by 6 healers' worth of mits and shields and free healing. Sprouts would be bursting into flames.
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    I mean, true, but it still feels wrong not to use it, since it's the job's whole identity and not just some situational heal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    I mean, true, but it still feels wrong not to use it, since it's the job's whole identity and not just some situational heal.
    You're getting a hint of how it feels to be holding a melee card looking at the cracked ninjas in the other alliances while your party of five dancers argues over who gets to partner your PLD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetch View Post
    You're getting a hint of how it feels to be holding a melee card looking at the cracked ninjas in the other alliances while your party of five dancers argues over who gets to partner your PLD.
    Ngl, that's partially why I hate the melee/ranged division lol. When your entire party minus the tank are ranged, and you keep getting Arrow, Balance and Spears...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vetch View Post
    On the other hand, I get it. Alliance raid fights usually use only one tank. Imagine how hard bosses would need to hit to not be trivialized by 6 healers' worth of mits and shields and free healing. Sprouts would be bursting into flames.
    I don't need to imagine it, I played through it, Thunder God Cid pre nerf was a good time. Then they had to remove all of the threat of potentially wiping to him. It's absolutely cringe to me that he is the only 24man boss that gives you the echo buff, like how bad does SE think their players are at the game that they need that
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    I don't need to imagine it, I played through it, Thunder God Cid pre nerf was a good time. Then they had to remove all of the threat of potentially wiping to him. It's absolutely cringe to me that he is the only 24man boss that gives you the echo buff, like how bad does SE think their players are at the game that they need that
    The worst part is that they nerfed him in addition to adding echo, so even when a tank takes the tether and eats the physical vuln, you can heal them through it just fine. The explosion from stacking the bubbles also no longer wipe the alliance, and the bleed from missing a duskblade circle is also non-threatening anymore. They nerfed him so hard that it's so sad, he wasn't even that hard in the first place.
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    Last edited by Aravell; 07-04-2023 at 11:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    I don't need to imagine it, I played through it, Thunder God Cid pre nerf was a good time. Then they had to remove all of the threat of potentially wiping to him. It's absolutely cringe to me that he is the only 24man boss that gives you the echo buff, like how bad does SE think their players are at the game that they need that
    Ultima too, the phase transition used to be a heal check. One of the few, if not single moment healers get the spotlight in normal content, and it's reduced to "cast a regen, you can keep Glaring now"

    PS: overall that's why I like Aglaia, all tank busters affect all 3 tanks, and they have their own stacking mechanics, to remind them offtanks are still tanks, but that's not here nor there for this thread lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    like how bad does SE think their players are at the game that they need that
    Not really new that they think we're all drooling on our keyboards.
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