Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
There were 1 or 2 threads pushing back against the NIN changes, but they were drowned out by the 500 Kaiten threads because it happened at the same time, quite unfortunate, I was one of the people speaking out against the NIN changes. NIN as a saboteur would fit thematically, I agree, but I'm not sure how they can really implement it effectively and how they would balance non-offensive utility, also depending on the type of utility, it might step on healers' toes even more, especially if they decide to stack NIN with mitigation and other damage reduction debuffs.
I would assume as a "saboteur", there'd be little stepping on healer toes that isn't already done by MCH and any tank, even a heal-less one (via Reprisal, old Storm's Path/Halone/HW Delirium, etc.) -- i.e., via suppressive mitigation.

That said, the non-offensive utility is a worthwhile question, not just because of how wide a spread its value might take but also... how we could even create a non-offensive means these days for that value that wouldn't seem gimmicky and/or done to death?


Aside: Personally, I thought the best base for NIN was probably HW's with a more fluid mudra system (gamewide change to no longer add roundtrip ping to one's uptime costs per action), maybe a removal of bunny (since it's basically just ping / packet-loss punishment), Dream Within a Dream and Shadewalker revitalized to actually make a full and interesting use of those thematic levers/button-spaces (in whatever new functions they might take), and maybe Armor Crush reworked or scrapped (since it just made bloat out of Huton itself... or make Gust Blade a brief Haste buff that Dancing Blade cements into a much longer buff up to 60s max while Huton is replaced by a situationally powerful Bunshin while Armor Crush becomes your modern vuln debuff equivalent and Aeolian remains the nuke, etc.).