A summary of healer issues

[Deceptus]

There is also the whole issue of the hitbox of the bosses which may cause tanks to miss dps buffs or mit if there is any mechanic that force the players to not enter the hitbox and the boss is big enough

And in typical CBU3 fashion, instead of simply reducing the boss hitbox they made it more convoluted by increasing every single job aoe to 30y Except Asylum and Sacred Soil for some stupid reason. . .

[WaxSw]

And in typical CBU3 fashion, instead of simply reducing the boss hitbox they made it more convoluted by increasing every single job aoe to 30y Except Asylum and Sacred Soil for some stupid reason. . .

You do realize that reducing the hitbox of already existing content is not as simple as moving a slider, right? For example in some of the content this fix is aimed for, like TOP, it would affect melee uptime and dps checks would have to be reevaluated, as well as mechanics and aoe ranges, to make up for that change in every single phase of the fight. DSR would have to be reevaluated too and even some savage fights with tight dps checks at min ilv would have to go through a process of reevaluation, it's not trivial stuff.

[Katish]

You do realize that reducing the hitbox of already existing content is not as simple as moving a slider, right? For example in some of the content this fix is aimed for, like TOP, it would affect melee uptime and dps checks would have to be reevaluated, as well as mechanics and aoe ranges, to make up for that change in every single phase of the fight. DSR would have to be reevaluated too and even some savage fights with tight dps checks at min ilv would have to go through a process of reevaluation, it's not trivial stuff.

You do realize that reducing the hitbox of already existing content is not as simple as moving a slider, right?

Actually this depends in how it's implemented in some games it's even easier to declare than a slider by filling a range of hit parameter in which you just fill in one number in adjacent to a monster id in a markup language such as xml or Json. A lot of older games do this in fact that you would be surprised. You first develop the bare bones and then utilize that code to make your life easier. Game development nowadays isn't rocket science if you have the knowledge to do so, although it does take time to learn, I have already finished developing two games of my own in fact.

[WaxSw]

Actually this depends in how it's implemented in some games it's even easier to declare than a slider by filling a range of hit parameter in which you just fill in one number in adjacent to a monster id in a markup language such as xml or Json. A lot of older games do this in fact that you would be surprised. You first develop the bare bones and then utilize that code to make your life easier. Game development nowadays isn't rocket science if you have the knowledge to do so, although it does take time to learn, I have already finished developing two games of my own in fact.

I'm not refering to the technical side but the gameplay design side. Something like a hitbox reduction implies that players may lose uptime during a mechanic that they previously didn't, creating imbalances across jobs and making the dps checks even harder and in some fights, like TOP as I mentioned, dps checks are tight enough that a change like that would require a rebalance of almost all phases. There are also mechanics whose safe spot are based on the boss hitbox and that would also create problems. While maybe in the technical side it is as easy as moving a slider the impact that has in gameplay would be deep enough to make that change a non trivial one.

[Katish]

Something like a hitbox reduction implies that players may lose uptime during a mechanic that they previously didn't, creating imbalances

Ah, thats what you meant. Well I kind of agree with you but at the same time I don't, hitbox expansion is one of the sole reasons this is meleewalker...and it's hard to balance around that because the end of the day question is should ranged be able to do as much damage as melee, with the hitboxes as they are I'd argue yes or at least close enough. That would be the decrepency in damage. I'd rather them increase melee potency during burst phase and lower the hitbox range as it makes moving a little more difficult and actually starts differianting dps (and of course I'd want less homogenizing but that is a pipe dream). Now that doesn't mean I want hitboxes to be impossible of course there is an extreme to everything but that is not what I'm advocating for.

[ForsakenRoe]

And in typical CBU3 fashion, instead of simply reducing the boss hitbox they made it more convoluted by increasing every single job aoe to 30y Except Asylum and Sacred Soil for some stupid reason. . .

If it's any consolation (hehe), Whispering Dawn remains at 15y. Which is funny, because the analog on SGE, Physis 2, IS 30y. But Physis 1 isnt. Does SE really think that the 10% healing boost is why Physis 2 should have more range? That would almost imply it's the heal boost people hit Physis 2 for, and not the extremely potent HOT effect, which is silly to even think about

Actually, looking at it, the fairy skill ranges are now all over the place. WD and the Seraph version are 15y. Everything else is 30y. Oh wait, there's one exception! Fey Blessing is 20 for some reason. And whatever that reason IS, it's not to mirror Indom's range, cos that is 15 too!

[Sebazy]

If it's any consolation (hehe), Whispering Dawn remains at 15y. Which is funny, because the analog on SGE, Physis 2, IS 30y. But Physis 1 isnt. Does SE really think that the 10% healing boost is why Physis 2 should have more range? That would almost imply it's the heal boost people hit Physis 2 for, and not the extremely potent HOT effect, which is silly to even think about

Actually, looking at it, the fairy skill ranges are now all over the place. WD and the Seraph version are 15y. Everything else is 30y. Oh wait, there's one exception! Fey Blessing is 20 for some reason. And whatever that reason IS, it's not to mirror Indom's range, cos that is 15 too!

Putting effort into class direction and paying attention to changes for SCH has never exactly been one of SE's strong points

[Absurdity]

And in typical CBU3 fashion, instead of simply reducing the boss hitbox they made it more convoluted by increasing every single job aoe to 30y Except Asylum and Sacred Soil for some stupid reason. . .

This has essentially been CBU3's modus operandi for this entire expansion, make a change for no reason (or for the sole reason of appeasing the absolute lowest common denominator), find out said change had a bunch of negative knock-on effects, sell us a solution to the problem they created in the first place.


Let's make giant hitboxes for basically no reason.
Oh no, now melees have 100% uptime with no effort required, better increase the dps checks.
Oh no, now certain party compositions can't mathematically clear the dps check, better nerf that into the ground and then buff them.
Oh no, because of our giant hitboxes people may occasionally miss buffs when they have to move, better increase the buff range to cover the entire arena to make it extra braindead.
Oh no, since melees have 100% uptime in every fight they are completely trouncing the ranged dps' output, better buff all of tho-...oh wait, they didn't do that, instead they just buffed Blackmage and told every other ranged to go pound sand.

[Iedarus]

Let's make giant hitboxes for basically no reason.
Oh no, now melees have 100% uptime with no effort required, better increase the dps checks.

And this screws healers even more because despite the vision being "healers only healing" healers are now expected to DPS even more to get clears.

"Yoshi, we do nothing but mash 1; what is your solution?"
Yoshi: "Healers should only heal."
The actual content: "Mash 1, HARDER!!!!!!"

[Renathras]

And this screws healers even more because despite the vision being "healers only healing" healers are now expected to DPS even more to get clears.

"Yoshi, we do nothing but mash 1; what is your solution?"
Yoshi: "Healers should only heal."
The actual content: "Mash 1, HARDER!!!!!!"

Come now, sometimes we mash 2. Occasionally 3.

This has essentially been CBU3's modus operandi for this entire expansion, make a change for no reason (or for the sole reason of appeasing the absolute lowest common denominator), find out said change had a bunch of negative knock-on effects, sell us a solution to the problem they created in the first place.


Let's make giant hitboxes for basically no reason.
Oh no, now melees have 100% uptime with no effort required, better increase the dps checks.
Oh no, now certain party compositions can't mathematically clear the dps check, better nerf that into the ground and then buff them.
Oh no, because of our giant hitboxes people may occasionally miss buffs when they have to move, better increase the buff range to cover the entire arena to make it extra braindead.
Oh no, since melees have 100% uptime in every fight they are completely trouncing the ranged dps' output, better buff all of tho-...oh wait, they didn't do that, instead they just buffed Blackmage and told every other ranged to go pound sand.

Extremely correct. Like, legitimately, no sarcasm, this is exactly right.

The thing is, all the "initial" changes are for no good reason or don't actually do the thing they were supposed to do. At that point, the answer SHOULD be to revert the changes, instead, they go through several iterations of "fixes" for what could have been solved by a mere reversion.

They also are weird in that SOME changes they are willing to go back on - often the ones that are mostly fine and just need some little tweaks. But the changes they really SHOULD go back on, for whatever reason, they stick to their guns on THOSE. I honestly have no idea why they stick to their guns so hard on some of the most inane stuff, but then stuff that's more or less fine, they decide have to be changed. Or perhaps worst of all - where they change one thing but not another like thing, even though the change makes perfect sense. Like how Crafter scripts now stack to 4,000 as does Hunt currency, but Tomes, even Poetics, are still locked at 2,000. Like...WHY?!