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    So regarding an earlier comment, I finally got round to running Lapis Manalis whilst using only GCD heals, assize and no oGCD healing cooldowns. I did habitually hit PI once, but Aquaveil, Benison, Asylum etc were completely off the table.

    Lilies and Regen had pretty much everything covered, I had hoped to need to Medica II more but I only ended up casting it twice on the final boss around it's big AoE transition.

    Depressingly and perhaps predictably, it made naff all difference.

    I got a 94% for my damage which given that I'm not BiS on my healer and don't have a Savage weapon, I'm pretty happy with that.

    Dungeon damage is just too low, I suspect I'd have to limit myself to no in combat Lilies, no assize and pray I get a bad tank before no oGCD heals would actually start having an impact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    So regarding an earlier comment,
    What was said comment, just out of interest? Cos I'm not really sure what you were trying to find out from this run you did. All I see is 'if we remove every OGCD entirely from the healers, they still have enough spare time to have around 40% of their casts dedicated to doing damage in the EX roulettes', which I assume means that some people's suggestion would be 'okay then we need to not only remove every OGCD entirely, but also halve the potency of the GCDs that remain, that way we'll have only 20% of the casts be damage, that'll make healing fun'

    I wonder, is this what we're gonna be doing for the month before the patch comes out? Just coming up with more and more stupid 'challenge runs' for testing how little of the 'healer role's responsibilities' we actually need to do as healers?

    'Meet Kardialetics, my 'can only heal with Kardia-triggered heals' Ultimate Ironman' etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    What was said comment, just out of interest? Cos I'm not really sure what you were trying to find out from this run you did. All I see is 'if we remove every OGCD entirely from the healers, they still have enough spare time to have around 40% of their casts dedicated to doing damage in the EX roulettes', which I assume means that some people's suggestion would be 'okay then we need to not only remove every OGCD entirely, but also halve the potency of the GCDs that remain, that way we'll have only 20% of the casts be damage, that'll make healing fun'

    I wonder, is this what we're gonna be doing for the month before the patch comes out? Just coming up with more and more stupid 'challenge runs' for testing how little of the 'healer role's responsibilities' we actually need to do as healers?

    'Meet Kardialetics, my 'can only heal with Kardia-triggered heals' Ultimate Ironman' etc
    Hey, considering Eos/Selene can do all of your healing for you in Sastasha, who can blame us for making challenges like this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Hey, considering Eos/Selene can do all of your healing for you in Sastasha, who can blame us for making challenges like this?
    Well, I already screwed up by suggesting 'kardia only', if I had a group of FC friends who didn't mind potentially getting griefed that one actually sounds kinda fun, having to constantly swap Kardia around. If there was a CD that made it temporarily AOE then I'd be way more up to actually trying it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Well, I already screwed up by suggesting 'kardia only', if I had a group of FC friends who didn't mind potentially getting griefed that one actually sounds kinda fun, having to constantly swap Kardia around. If there was a CD that made it temporarily AOE then I'd be way more up to actually trying it
    Honestly, this is how PvP SGE works, and it's actually kinda fun if you get a party that doesn't spread to the four corners and actually stays together (talking Frontlines here). PvP Kardia has no CD so you can constantly hot-swap it and it's the only way SGE can effectively heal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    What was said comment, just out of interest? Cos I'm not really sure what you were trying to find out from this run you did. All I see is 'if we remove every OGCD entirely from the healers, they still have enough spare time to have around 40% of their casts dedicated to doing damage in the EX roulettes', which I assume means that some people's suggestion would be 'okay then we need to not only remove every OGCD entirely, but also halve the potency of the GCDs that remain, that way we'll have only 20% of the casts be damage, that'll make healing fun'

    I wonder, is this what we're gonna be doing for the month before the patch comes out? Just coming up with more and more stupid 'challenge runs' for testing how little of the 'healer role's responsibilities' we actually need to do as healers?

    'Meet Kardialetics, my 'can only heal with Kardia-triggered heals' Ultimate Ironman' etc
    You now have me curious to see if I can heal 90 expert with Lady of Crowns only.

    I am half temped.
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    I'm tired of being told to wait for post-patches and expansions for fixes and increased healing requirements that are never coming. Healers are not fun in all forms of content like all jobs should be, they're replaced by tanks and dps due to low healing requirements and their dps kit is small for 0 reason, when in the past we had more options and handled things just fine. I refuse to play healer in roulette come DT. I refuse to heal EXs, I refuse to go into Savage, and I am boycotting Ultimate.

    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASkellington View Post
    You now have me curious to see if I can heal 90 expert with Lady of Crowns only.

    I am half temped.
    You'll get lords only for the entire run.

    You'll still clear with zero deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    You'll get lords only for the entire run.

    You'll still clear with zero deaths.
    Not with my luck I won't.
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    I'm tired of being told to wait for post-patches and expansions for fixes and increased healing requirements that are never coming. Healers are not fun in all forms of content like all jobs should be, they're replaced by tanks and dps due to low healing requirements and their dps kit is small for 0 reason, when in the past we had more options and handled things just fine. I refuse to play healer in roulette come DT. I refuse to heal EXs, I refuse to go into Savage, and I am boycotting Ultimate.

    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    What was said comment, just out of interest?
    It was theory crafting about how much impact it would have if we moved from a primarily oGCD healing mindset to a focus on GCDs instead.

    I suspect in Extremes it'd likely be more noticeable, but in Experto and 24 man, I genuinely don't think it would change much of anything as the incoming damage just isn't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    It was theory crafting about how much impact it would have if we moved from a primarily oGCD healing mindset to a focus on GCDs instead.

    I suspect in Extremes it'd likely be more noticeable, but in Experto and 24 man, I genuinely don't think it would change much of anything as the incoming damage just isn't there.
    In other words: The thing I pitch all the time would...probably work?

    Maybe?

    I think you're correct. It would be noticeable (and make harder) the high end content (at least until people hyper overgeared it), but wouldn't affect casual players in casual content. Which...is kind of what we're going for in order to make a working solution, right?
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