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    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    also the balance was actually pretty good in 3.3 and 3.4. everything went to shit after they decided to buff balance to 20% for absolutely no reason
    Mmmmmmm, balance between SCH's sidekicks was pretty good before the great Balance Buff. Scholar was *very* overpowered in Heavenward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Mmmmmmm, balance between SCH's sidekicks was pretty good before the great Balance Buff. Scholar was *very* overpowered in Heavenward.
    I continue to say they weren't overpowered so much as their kit was REALLY well designed. By that I mean they had an answer for everything and the other two jobs didn't.

    And instead of nerfing Scholar I long advocated for bringing the other two up which is what they eventually did. All the healing roles are essentially clones of each other with a small flavor built in.

    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    not gonna contest that lol. noct never stood a chance even before sch got chain strat
    You're don't know the history of the game then. Noct AST eventually healed BETTER than SCH's could. Their shields were stronger potency than SCH, were instant cast, and they had card utility to boot.

    Heavensward was also FOUR years ago and SCH has been nerfed every expansion since then. They can't keep being held to the HW standard anymore, it's intellectually dishonest.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 11-08-2021 at 08:53 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    I continue to say they weren't overpowered so much as their kit was REALLY well designed. By that I mean they had an answer for everything and the other two jobs didn't.
    We definitely disagree there. I think being good at everything is one of the key definitions of overpowered. Being good at everything and defining one job as "the smart one", thus hogging basically all future design space is oppressive to the role.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    And instead of nerfing Scholar I long advocated for bringing the other two up which is what they eventually did. All the healing roles are essentially clones of each other with a small flavor built in.
    Did they? They nerfed the crap out of Scholar and AST, then buffed AST again. WHM wasn't "brought up" anywhere. It's still the worst of the three healers, still brings nothing unique to the table, still has effectively no identity other than being the dumdum class for babies.

    Seems with all that shuffling around and nerf bat beating they did the overall pecking order changed little for it. Despite all the bellyaching Scholars do about their job, they do still have ONE thing going for them- they're STILL more meta than trashcan WHM, after all of those ridiculous nerfs.
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    Last edited by Semirhage; 11-08-2021 at 10:26 AM.