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  1. #581
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82timvwEUHo

    TEA Solo heal WHM

    Honestly I am progging TEA at the moment as a SCH with a WHM partner. I feel extremely redundant now. My role is a commodity rather than a necessity.
    Hasn't that always been the case though? I don't recall any Solo SCH clear for any Savage Raid tier, much less an Ultimate fight, while WHM and AST have several under their belt. So if the player base got to such a point that Solo Healing Savage Content was the meta, SCH (and possibly SGE) would effectively be left to the side lines while AST and WHM would be pretty much the only healers worth playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver-Strider View Post
    Hasn't that always been the case though? I don't recall any Solo SCH clear for any Savage Raid tier, much less an Ultimate fight, while WHM and AST have several under their belt. So if the player base got to such a point that Solo Healing Savage Content was the meta, SCH (and possibly SGE) would effectively be left to the side lines while AST and WHM would be pretty much the only healers worth playing.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yILvug526JQ
    I'm not sure about any tier of savage this expac but SCH has solo healed TEA. I think more to the point it really highlights the state healers are in if a cohealer isn't even required for the hardest content in the game.
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  3. #583
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
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    I'm not sure about any tier of savage this expac but SCH has solo healed TEA. I think more to the point it really highlights the state healers are in if a cohealer isn't even required for the hardest content in the game.
    I stand corrected then. Just means healers are all pretty balanced overall right now.
    Shame EW is going to kill all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    Doesn't overwatch have a champion (Ana?) that heals with a sniper rifle, too?
    Yup, she's pretty boss as heck, and one of my favorite Healers. Shoot people to do damage, shoot people to heal damage. Grenade that splashes down and gives massive healing boost and increase, and makes enemies take more damage. Her ultimate is Nano Boost; making an ally turn in a monster of destruction, attacking faster, running faster etc.
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  5. #585
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    I'd rather the existing healers not be flaming garbage before we start in on wacky design spaces like melee healing. Nevermind the fact that Square's encounter design up to now presupposes that all healers are ranged. What would a melee healer do during Searing Wind? /dance?
    Do what a RDM does, and know when to and when not to be in melee, I suppose? being a melee healer wouldn't imply they're like a MNK and go the 'no ranged skills whatsoever' route, just that their niche would be going in melee range, even if only temporarily. It's not like our aoes arent point blank range already, and SGE even has a gap closer, for whatever reason - this theoretical melee healer could simply have a disengage like RDM /shrug
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    Last edited by Allegor; 11-02-2021 at 01:41 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nizzi View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yILvug526JQ
    I'm not sure about any tier of savage this expac but SCH has solo healed TEA. I think more to the point it really highlights the state healers are in if a cohealer isn't even required for the hardest content in the game.
    Healers are meant to be the easy mode for tough content. It's just how the game works.
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  7. #587
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    Small thing to add to this since it's purely a visual identity thing, but I would really like for Ruin II to also get different names and animations as Scholar levels up; with the new expansion, Scholar is going to now have three traits that increase Ruin II's damage without ever changing the name and animation to further separate it from Summoner.
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  8. #588
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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMink View Post
    Small thing to add to this since it's purely a visual identity thing, but I would really like for Ruin II to also get different names and animations as Scholar levels up; with the new expansion, Scholar is going to now have three traits that increase Ruin II's damage without ever changing the name and animation to further separate it from Summoner.
    Its not like they could have done much about SCH, amirite?
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  9. #589
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    Aftee watching several videos of game journalists struggling with the basic concepts of SGE, I fear the new shiny toy will see an onslaught of new players rush to it.

    They will struggle to heal and we'll see a huge wave of Tanks and Dps players complaining about their personal health batteries being defective, causing SE to dumb down healers all over the board yet again.
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Do what a RDM does, and know when to and when not to be in melee, I suppose? being a melee healer wouldn't imply they're like a MNK and go the 'no ranged skills whatsoever' route, just that their niche would be going in melee range, even if only temporarily. It's not like our aoes arent point blank range already, and SGE even has a gap closer, for whatever reason - this theoretical melee healer could simply have a disengage like RDM /shrug
    RDM having to delay it's Melee combo can severely impact its damage. Not to mention, it's only ever in melee range for 5-6 seconds. A healer whose primary source of DPS forced it into melee range would be near impossible to balance as it'd either wind up far too powerful in fights lacking range mechanics or comically weak having to constantly lose damage when the other healers didn't. It'd basically only work in double Caster comps, which are nowhere near as prevalent.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Aftee watching several videos of game journalists struggling with the basic concepts of SGE, I fear the new shiny toy will see an onslaught of new players rush to it.

    They will struggle to heal and we'll see a huge wave of Tanks and Dps players complaining about their personal health batteries being defective, causing SE to dumb down healers all over the board yet again.
    I wouldn't worry too much. People felt similarly about Gunbreaker. While we certainly had plenty of meme tanks, it eventually balanced out when people got over the "shiny new toy" syndrome and ran back to their old jobs.
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    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
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