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    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    tbh, just cleric stance by itself wouldn't really do anything apart from annoy people. It doesn't add any reasonable depth, it only changes the script so you push CS once in a while to go back into heal mode and I quite liked the juggling act back in ARR where fights were less scripted, yet here I am advocating against it

    Now, when its linked to something else like seraph strike in bozja, thats when it gets interesting.

    As it stands the major issue is not enough damage gcds. Now, if seraph strike was an instant gcd on either a short or regular 2.5s cooldown, that would spice things up a fair bit since it would be juggling a damage buff with healing nerf. Lower skilled/sylphies would use it purely as a gap closer while higher skill players would use it more regular in order to get more damage out
    Cleric was at least more interesting because it had interactions with the DoT aspect of the old rotations. I don't think it fits anymore because of the tempo of current fights. It made sense in ARR where you had breathing room for its use. Heavensward had the odd stress-testing spot that ultimately was manageable but I was absolutely glad it was gone in Stormblood. I do agree it would be better in Endwalker than it was in the past thanks to half-casts, but I'd rather have old tank stances back than than cleric stance. There at least lies the potential for strategic decision making. DPS doesn't allow for that in an MMO unless fights are designed to go off script.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimoire-M View Post
    Cleric was at least more interesting because it had interactions with the DoT aspect of the old rotations. I don't think it fits anymore because of the tempo of current fights. It made sense in ARR where you had breathing room for its use.
    Respectfully, you say this like there still isn't large gaps where there's zero damage going out. It could still be implemented today, but it would require smart use and pre-planning

    Now if there was only a job that was designed completely around that entire concept . . .
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Respectfully, you say this like there still isn't large gaps where there's zero damage going out. It could still be implemented today, but it would require smart use and pre-planning

    Now if there was only a job that was designed completely around that entire concept . . .
    As much as I liked when healers had cleric stance, the implementation itself was weird since healers were the only job whose main stat wasn't its damage stat (Though I think tanks may have briefly had their damage tied to vitality, but I forget since I didn't tank at that time)

    I can't really see old cleric stance working as there isn't actually any substance to healer dps rotations, maybe if they changed it to a 20% damage boost and made it cost 3000 mp I could see it spicing things up a bit, but just swapping stats wouldn't really work well since it was more of a hindrance than an actual fun aspect of healing for the majority of people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogempire View Post
    As much as I liked when healers had cleric stance, the implementation itself was weird since healers were the only job whose main stat wasn't its damage stat (Though I think tanks may have briefly had their damage tied to vitality, but I forget since I didn't tank at that time)

    I can't really see old cleric stance working as there isn't actually any substance to healer dps rotations, maybe if they changed it to a 20% damage boost and made it cost 3000 mp I could see it spicing things up a bit, but just swapping stats wouldn't really work well since it was more of a hindrance than an actual fun aspect of healing for the majority of people
    Hell, even if it was a 2m CD that increased damage by 50% for 15s or something it would be good. Could line up with party buffs, useful in dungeons etc.

    Wouldn't be TOO overpowered. Doesn't fix the 1 button spam but does make it more impactful and skillful.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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