A summary of healer issues

[Recon1o6]

Had an interesting thought: would you guys be alright if Cleric Stance came back, but for WHM? Nerf dps and healing potencies a bit, but have Cleric Stance available to make it slightly higher in potency? (For example, nerf Glare potency from 310 to 300, but with Cleric Stance active, brings the potency up to 320. Numbers could always use some tweaking.)

More casual players like me would be able to get by in random dungeons and other content without it impacting anything while more experienced players would be able to leverage it for optimal play?

Granted, while you guys are pretty understanding veteran healers, I do fear that having a tool like that with WHM would lend...other less understanding...players to be heavy-handed against those in casual content for not utilizing it. Which would only feed further into SE's position to not change anything.

tbh, just cleric stance by itself wouldn't really do anything apart from annoy people. It doesn't add any reasonable depth, it only changes the script so you push CS once in a while to go back into heal mode and I quite liked the juggling act back in ARR where fights were less scripted, yet here I am advocating against it

Now, when its linked to something else like seraph strike in bozja, thats when it gets interesting.

As it stands the major issue is not enough damage gcds. Now, if seraph strike was an instant gcd on either a short or regular 2.5s cooldown, that would spice things up a fair bit since it would be juggling a damage buff with healing nerf. Lower skilled/sylphies would use it purely as a gap closer while higher skill players would use it more regular in order to get more damage out

[Grimoire-M]

tbh, just cleric stance by itself wouldn't really do anything apart from annoy people. It doesn't add any reasonable depth, it only changes the script so you push CS once in a while to go back into heal mode and I quite liked the juggling act back in ARR where fights were less scripted, yet here I am advocating against it

Now, when its linked to something else like seraph strike in bozja, thats when it gets interesting.

As it stands the major issue is not enough damage gcds. Now, if seraph strike was an instant gcd on either a short or regular 2.5s cooldown, that would spice things up a fair bit since it would be juggling a damage buff with healing nerf. Lower skilled/sylphies would use it purely as a gap closer while higher skill players would use it more regular in order to get more damage out

Cleric was at least more interesting because it had interactions with the DoT aspect of the old rotations. I don't think it fits anymore because of the tempo of current fights. It made sense in ARR where you had breathing room for its use. Heavensward had the odd stress-testing spot that ultimately was manageable but I was absolutely glad it was gone in Stormblood. I do agree it would be better in Endwalker than it was in the past thanks to half-casts, but I'd rather have old tank stances back than than cleric stance. There at least lies the potential for strategic decision making. DPS doesn't allow for that in an MMO unless fights are designed to go off script.

[Deceptus]

Cleric was at least more interesting because it had interactions with the DoT aspect of the old rotations. I don't think it fits anymore because of the tempo of current fights. It made sense in ARR where you had breathing room for its use.

Respectfully, you say this like there still isn't large gaps where there's zero damage going out. It could still be implemented today, but it would require smart use and pre-planning

Now if there was only a job that was designed completely around that entire concept . . .

[Dogempire]

Respectfully, you say this like there still isn't large gaps where there's zero damage going out. It could still be implemented today, but it would require smart use and pre-planning

Now if there was only a job that was designed completely around that entire concept . . .

As much as I liked when healers had cleric stance, the implementation itself was weird since healers were the only job whose main stat wasn't its damage stat (Though I think tanks may have briefly had their damage tied to vitality, but I forget since I didn't tank at that time)

I can't really see old cleric stance working as there isn't actually any substance to healer dps rotations, maybe if they changed it to a 20% damage boost and made it cost 3000 mp I could see it spicing things up a bit, but just swapping stats wouldn't really work well since it was more of a hindrance than an actual fun aspect of healing for the majority of people

[Deceptus]

As much as I liked when healers had cleric stance, the implementation itself was weird since healers were the only job whose main stat wasn't its damage stat (Though I think tanks may have briefly had their damage tied to vitality, but I forget since I didn't tank at that time)

I can't really see old cleric stance working as there isn't actually any substance to healer dps rotations, maybe if they changed it to a 20% damage boost and made it cost 3000 mp I could see it spicing things up a bit, but just swapping stats wouldn't really work well since it was more of a hindrance than an actual fun aspect of healing for the majority of people

Hell, even if it was a 2m CD that increased damage by 50% for 15s or something it would be good. Could line up with party buffs, useful in dungeons etc.

Wouldn't be TOO overpowered. Doesn't fix the 1 button spam but does make it more impactful and skillful.