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    QooEr's Avatar
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    Qoo Er
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    Sargatanas
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimoire-M View Post
    WHM/AST didn't have Embrace. They had to overcome an effective 2% DPS difference just from the regen tax alone. Nevermind all the other crap Scholar did.
    i agree, i forgot to mention the free healing from the fairy that both also lacked and cut into their combined dps even more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grimoire-M View Post
    It's also why current Scholar isn't that bad. Free healing is good. Even if you can't control it perfectly.
    I wouldnt say any of the healers are bad rn, just boring. If anything ast is too strong for the same reasons scholar was too strong pre-shb (most dps, endless free healing).


    I concede that embrace was too strong back then, but at least fairy micromanging was something else you had the option to do if you wanted to try even harder to optimize healing. Current healing optimization is mostly letting ast do everything, begging your party to use their mitigations and healing whenever a weave window comes up. zzz
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    i agree, i forgot to mention the free healing from the fairy that both also lacked and cut into their combined dps even more.



    I wouldnt say any of the healers are bad rn, just boring. If anything ast is too strong for the same reasons scholar was too strong pre-shb (most dps, endless free healing).


    I concede that embrace was too strong back then, but at least fairy micromanging was something else you had the option to do if you wanted to try even harder to optimize healing. Current healing optimization is mostly letting ast do everything, begging your party to use their mitigations and healing whenever a weave window comes up. zzz
    AST is not that strong when compared to the other healers at min item level. It is just the healer that scales better and it becomes more apparent in 8-man content.

    AST is a favorable choice only for raids and trials. For casual content at level cap, WHM and SCH win hard over AST with over 2k rDPS in Paglth'an. You are simply more effective as a WHM or SCH in dungeons than as an AST.

    From what I learned, SCH was better than anyone in anything, including dungeons.

    Edit:
    We can just compare healers rDPS in Amaurot(item level sync) with Matoya's relict(no item level sync):
    Amaurot: :
    AST: 9k-9.5k*
    SCH: 10,5k
    WHM: 11,3k
    *The first AST has 9k rDPS patch 5.3 but the 2nd has 9.5k and they are from patch 5.4

    Matoya:
    AST: 16,1k- 13.1k*
    SCH: 15k
    WHM: 16,6k
    *First and second-best again. If SCH was in a party with yellow parse players like the #1 AST instead of gray they would have probably gone up to 16k as well.

    The out scaling is visible. AST is a good role to pick when people around you know how to play but that's rarely the case in dungeons. AST's damage output falls off quickly in casual content.
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    Last edited by Roeshel; 09-14-2021 at 08:47 PM.