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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    War has a spammed filler combo. (Glare)
    War has a maintenance combo (Dia)
    War has 1 (2 with IR) ogcds used whenever it's up. (Assize)
    War has a steroid phase (POM)
    War has a gauge spender (Misery)
    This is completely apples to oranges.

    A filler combo isn't the same thing as pressing a single button 12 times.

    A maintenance combo isn't the same thing as pressing a button ONCE every 30s.

    War's gauge spender isn't comparable at all to the single button press of Misery. You can Misery once every 90s, vs the plethora of times a Warrior can fell cleave in that time frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reiryuu View Post
    While I hope that the healers will get a much needed overhaul since AST certianly is going to need one with it becoming more on the WHM side of the healing spectrum, I totally expect AST to get majorly screwed over and the other healers mostly left out in the cold. Sage already sounds like it was something thrown together that they had no clear image for just from the interviews they've had about it. So... my hopes for healing in 6.0 are pretty low T_T; I hope I'm wrong... but... something tells me I won't be.
    My spider sense is telling me they're going to design Sage fairly well and all the SCH's who are fed up with fairy clunkiness (read: Most of them) are switching.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Kabooa's Avatar
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    Jace Ossura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    This is completely apples to oranges.

    A filler combo isn't the same thing as pressing a single button 12 times.

    A maintenance combo isn't the same thing as pressing a button ONCE every 30s.

    War's gauge spender isn't comparable at all to the single button press of Misery. You can Misery once every 90s, vs the plethora of times a Warrior can fell cleave in that time frame.
    You're right. The White Mage's takes more thought to optimize. (But I'm assuming that wasn't the argument you were trying to make.)
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    Mio Aiken
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    You're right. The White Mage's takes more thought to optimize. (But I'm assuming that wasn't the argument you were trying to make.)
    the argument was white mage is more mechanically dull to play than warrior ^^ hard to optimize != fun to play
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    Quote Originally Posted by AikenDrum View Post
    the argument was white mage is more mechanically dull to play than warrior ^^ hard to optimize != fun to play
    And static 123s are no less dull than 111.
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    nope, 123 is a little bit less dull
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    Brunox Sky
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    Quote Originally Posted by AikenDrum View Post
    nope, 123 is a little bit less dull
    1,2,3
    1,2-4
    1,2-5

    Things like that are even better; there's no reason why we shouldn't have function, fun options for dps when we're not healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    And static 123s are no less dull than 111.
    A 123 can be done incorrectly if your attention gets drawn elsewear by mechanics for instance. You can be forced to disengage from an untargetable enemy and then feel the frenzy of hoping they come back in time to complete the chain. A 123 is more visually appealing as it gives 3 seperate animations. Spamming a single button with no procs, no priority system, no guage building, no postionals, no weaving space, and no thought is definitely more dull than any 123 combo in the game currently. Even Warrior has a multipurpose combo in that it builds guage and you don't want to overcap your resources. Calling 111 equivalent to any other combo system in the game is just disingenuous. It's hands down the worse dps option of any class.
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