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  1. #291
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Sage will have a 3 button dps combo instead of a 1 button spam and will have the highest healer dps and AST will be gutted.

    But in all seriousness I hope that healers get a complete overhaul to make them more engaging and fun.
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  2. #292
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    Aiscence Amano
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    Moogle
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    Sage will have a 3 button dps combo instead of a 1 button spam and will have the highest healer dps and AST will be gutted.

    But in all seriousness I hope that healers get a complete overhaul to make them more engaging and fun.
    I have no faith, as for now, on the sage trailer we had: a cure, an adlo, a singlet target damage, and aoe damage.
    I wish I could get my HW/SB scholar back tho, but even "recent" changes, like the energy drain dps change to scholar for it to be a 10 potency gain, show that they don't plan on backing down.
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  3. #293
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    Foxkid's Avatar
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    Ketsueki Bloodfox
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Derio View Post
    Sage will have a 3 button dps combo instead of a 1 button spam and will have the highest healer dps and AST will be gutted.

    But in all seriousness I hope that healers get a complete overhaul to make them more engaging and fun.
    Hopefully one of the changes will concern overwrites between shields and regens. And especially since Sage is about to be a barrier healer, it's gonna be rough for scholar mains to deal with those overwrites in trials and alliance raids even more so because if your adlo gets overwritten and you planned to deploy it, you're about to be out a mitigation cooldown for the next 3 minutes with zero effects given because the sage overwrote the target shield.
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    Well, at least I'm trying...

  4. #294
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Foxkid View Post
    Hopefully one of the changes will concern overwrites between shields and regens. And especially since Sage is about to be a barrier healer, it's gonna be rough for scholar mains to deal with those overwrites in trials and alliance raids even more so because if your adlo gets overwritten and you planned to deploy it, you're about to be out a mitigation cooldown for the next 3 minutes with zero effects given because the sage overwrote the target shield.
    I was thinking about this the other day and I think a good solution for Shield Healers:

    Using a shield on an existing one provides the Galvanize buff. That way they stack.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  5. #295
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    Ultaniku's Avatar
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    Jojo Ryder
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    Famfrit
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    Warrior Lv 97
    It’s been stated, but with how many people are planning on at least trying Sage out I hope there is some way duo barrier healer parties will have some kind of synergy. Constant overwriting in those parties is going to be a nightmare.
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  6. #296
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    Mesarthim's Avatar
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    Rozemyne Shyahoro
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    Leviathan
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultaniku View Post
    It’s been stated, but with how many people are planning on at least trying Sage out I hope there is some way duo barrier healer parties will have some kind of synergy. Constant overwriting in those parties is going to be a nightmare.
    About 2+ years ago in a bismark trial on SCH I was paired with an AST. We wiped once because the tanks messed up on the add phase and somehow through some weird twisted logic did my AST partner decided that they needed to swap to nocturnal sect... with a SCH in the party.

    There wasn't a whole lot of synergy. If they don't solve this then it's only going to get worse because I guarantee you if they do not then people will constantly overwrite shields because "their" shield icon isn't on the party.
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  7. #297
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesarthim View Post
    About 2+ years ago in a bismark trial on SCH I was paired with an AST. We wiped once because the tanks messed up on the add phase and somehow through some weird twisted logic did my AST partner decided that they needed to swap to nocturnal sect... with a SCH in the party.

    There wasn't a whole lot of synergy. If they don't solve this then it's only going to get worse because I guarantee you if they do not then people will constantly overwrite shields because "their" shield icon isn't on the party.
    Especially when you consider none of the tanks overwrite other buffs.

    This will only be an issue that affects two jobs in the game: SCH and Sage, and that shouldn't be the case.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  8. #298
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    Undeadfire's Avatar
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    Nova' Dragon
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    Phoenix
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    Paladin Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    Tbh the only reason I'm expecting sage to be in a better position than the other 3 healers is because its made of the other 3 AND its a new job so they will attempt to make its gameplay slightly more engaging as part of marketing, thats why gunbreaker being dps esque is so popular- because it plays different from the other tanks while being highest dps for optimisers
    Hard to call this.

    Sage needs abilities to justify being over an Ast/Sch, Ast has Cards and Sch has Chain which are powerful buff tools. All Whm has is Glare, Glare, Glare, and if Sage gets the same treatment as Whm, it's unlikely for it to be over Sch in Optimization runs. It will be popular in the community for being "new", raid wise it's hard to say.

    For GNB it's because it syncs with current buff timers including Pld (60 second cooldowns), Drk is an exception certain fights for it's strongest Burst power out of all tanks.
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  9. #299
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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultaniku View Post
    It’s been stated, but with how many people are planning on at least trying Sage out I hope there is some way duo barrier healer parties will have some kind of synergy. Constant overwriting in those parties is going to be a nightmare.
    Fairly sure they said they're adjusting matchmaking to require 1 barrier, 1 non for full party content.
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  10. #300
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    Irenia Ataska
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    Siren
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Fairly sure they said they're adjusting matchmaking to require 1 barrier, 1 non for full party content.
    I doubt they will do that for normal 8 man content. Raid Finder, however, would most likely, since that already tries to give parties one of every DPS.
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