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  1. #681
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    Allegor's Avatar
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    Red Rider
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    Toxicon is basically SGE's Ruin II with extra steps
    (5)
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  2. #682
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by AngeliouxRein View Post
    Lol its real easy to fall into the toxicon trap. Either you’re doing it out of boredom or you’re doing it because you genuinely think it’s the better way to go. But a large portion of the player base cares nothing about optimization so tanks now have a new type of healer to be concerned about. I personally do it out of boredom. When the tanks hp hits about half is when I use other skills to top them off but to fight off boredom… shield, all the shields lol.
    I'd rather just have 200-250 pot with zero drop off and call it a day.

    Or raise it to 400 with the 50% drop off so it's at least better than Dyskrasia for aoe and better than Dosis for single target.

    You're using a resource, it should hit hard.
    (6)
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  3. #683
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    Allegor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    I'd rather just have 200-250 pot with zero drop off and call it a day.

    Or raise it to 400 with the 50% drop off so it's at least better than Dyskrasia for aoe and better than Dosis for single target.

    You're using a resource, it should hit hard.
    As much as I'd like it to be stronger, I think that'd only make the problem of fishing for Toxicons even worse, not to mention the huge mp dump it'd be
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  4. #684
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    Kabooa's Avatar
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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    The Haimas should provide Addersting when the shield breaks. Perhaps cap it to once per ability use.
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  5. #685
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    Saefinn's Avatar
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    Yesunova Hotgo
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    Balmung
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    Sage Lv 90
    I think I have come across my first sign of the content not matching our tool kits. I ran the level 89 dungeon for the first time yesterday and was healing as SGE, I died to an early mechanic during the second boss with a PLD tank. With no SMN or RDM to raise me it would surely have been a wipe? Nope. Nor did it look like they struggled. This was something I complained about in ShB in the level 80 dungeons.

    I get content has to be approachable to heal, but at the very least balance it so the healer role is needed, else we're just green DPS.
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  6. #686
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Doing leveling roulettes and MSQ with SCH I realised your Energy Drain stays at 100 potency through out the lower levels.

    I don't know why I figured it would start at lower potency and update into higher potencies as you level, but nope. The moment you get it its 100 potency forever.

    It has this strange effect of becoming weaker as you level. At level 50 your Ruin is 150 potency and your ED is 100 potency, meaning weaving your ED in is a huge gain in DPS, almost another nuke's worth. Then as you level that ability gets weaker and weaker comparatively, which its not what you want an ability to feel. You don't want your Job to feel weaker as you level.
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  7. #687
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    Visanis Mitsuna
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    They won't ever raise energy drains potency again, if anything they'll need
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  8. #688
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    Visanis Mitsuna
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    Curse auto correct and the awful mobile version of this forum.

    If anything they'll nerf energy drain again to try to reduce its usage.*
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  9. #689
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    Qoo Er
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    As much as I'd like it to be stronger, I think that'd only make the problem of fishing for Toxicons even worse, not to mention the huge mp dump it'd be
    toxicon being the same potency as dosis kind of makes it almost completely useless though. the mobility isnt needed if you know how to slidecast and even then you can use a charge of phlegma for the same effect since its instant
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  10. #690
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    Tolo Rewd
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    Spriggan
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    toxicon being the same potency as dosis kind of makes it almost completely useless though. the mobility isnt needed if you know how to slidecast and even then you can use a charge of phlegma for the same effect since its instant
    Not every movement can be covered with slidecast and Phlegma requires melee-izh range.
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