A summary of healer issues

[Recon1o6]

Well, kit-wise it seems they fixed nothing and only further trashed the lore of the healer classes. And that from what I'm reading SGE seems to be kind of overpowered compared to the other three healers. Am yet to try it myself, though... but it wouldn't surprise me if they fucked up the balancing of the new shiny healer... especially so if it was intentional to try and push numbers or give a good early impression.

Its absolutely to advertise the new job. I played it a little bit and on the first outing my friend had to solo heal the thunder god when I had a delivery to answer

She still wasn't 100% certain on the kit and was rearranging buttons throughout the run but she kept everyone alive like a champ. If someone who barely knows the job can solo heal TGcid despite multiple dumb players that stood in aoes to the tune of 8 stacks of vuln up, I would say that its really strong on those grounds alone

[Laphicet]

Its absolutely to advertise the new job. I played it a little bit and on the first outing my friend had to solo heal the thunder god when I had a delivery to answer

She still wasn't 100% certain on the kit and was rearranging buttons throughout the run but she kept everyone alive like a champ. If someone who barely knows the job can solo heal TGcid despite multiple dumb players that stood in aoes to the tune of 8 stacks of vuln up, I would say that its really strong on those grounds alone

Yeah that seems doable. Another huge advantage SGE has is being front-loaded, so it's easily the strongest healer during leveling content at this point. It's basically an 80 healer at lv70 and mostly gets trait upgrades from 70-90, the few extra skills it gets just make it stronger.. and the traits give it the strongest GCD filler spells, too. Though I still don't see why the skill to give you one addersgall exists. It doesn't really do much and it's not like you need it unless you're doing full uptime memes with the shield ability.

It also seems that extra kit is enough to fool people into thinking it's not just a 1-spam job at the end of the day, based on conversations I had in Heaven on High with some people... one of which was even being a curebot as SGE and constantly trying to fish for addersting procs.

[Absurdity]

Though I still don't see why the skill to give you one addersgall exists. It doesn't really do much and it's not like you need it unless you're doing full uptime memes with the shield ability.

Me neither, Rhizomata is just weird, gaining 1 Addersgall on a 90 sec cooldown just seems like a pointless addition. When you run into a situation where everything goes wrong and you're completely out of oGCD resources this 1 stack isn't gonna save anything.

[Rilifane]

Yeah that seems doable. Another huge advantage SGE has is being front-loaded, so it's easily the strongest healer during leveling content at this point. It's basically an 80 healer at lv70 and mostly gets trait upgrades from 70-90, the few extra skills it gets just make it stronger.. and the traits give it the strongest GCD filler spells, too. Though I still don't see why the skill to give you one addersgall exists. It doesn't really do much and it's not like you need it unless you're doing full uptime memes with the shield ability.

It also seems that extra kit is enough to fool people into thinking it's not just a 1-spam job at the end of the day, based on conversations I had in Heaven on High with some people... one of which was even being a curebot as SGE and constantly trying to fish for addersting procs.

I'm starting to think we need an ingame message saying "Fishing for Toxikon is BAD! Stop it!" when someone switches to Sage for the first ... I don't know, 20 times?
Because save for one Sage I had while spamming dungeons, everyone else was tunneling hard on spamming EDiagnosis for Toxikon and using Toxikon for dps. Even after the tank died in a medium pull (DRK, no insane selfheal unfortunately) and someone suggested the oGCDs the replies were "but shield is instant and I get procs, it's better".
And from the amount of people in the forum argueing for it or at least falling into the trap aswell, it seems incredibly common to let oGCDs sit unused/ barely used while spamming EDiagnosis and saying Sage is weak.

[ijuakos_xqwzts]

I don't know what you're talking about. Sage seems fine!

[Aluja89]

So, I uh touched Sage today. What a pos.... It's just the same thing with a buttload of bloat.

Press this button to make another button a DoT, we're creative!

Not to mention how unsatisfying it feels.

[Recon1o6]

While I haven't yet updated the first post due to the chaos that is christmas (and an ongoing family emergency, rip) I've personally experienced that the stat squish has indirectly buffed brutal shell enough that its healing for a significant chunk of health

as in enough for me to heal myself back up to full vs 2 of the qitana ravel bosses by going 1-2 because the new healer died immediately to the second mechanic both times.

I done the first endwalker dungeon as both a tank and sage now. The first time was tank and thank goodness I had heart of corundum for that. The second time round I was sage with my friend the warrior instead of sch the first time round
It became apparent just how overpowered sage was, how underpowered sch was, how little damage the bosses actually did once you learned mechanics and how hard some of those trash packs can hurt when doing the standard 2 pack pull. (the 2 blob things plus a hypertuned hit very hard unmitigated. the hypertuned alone is 1/10th of my hp if I didn't mitigate)


I've touched enough of sage now to give a good opinion even if I'm stuck at the second dungeon waiting for my friend to catch up. I can boil it down to its literally what sch in 5.0's healing toolkit should have been. The none healing aspect is still heavily dosis spam, but the dark arts analogue hides it a bit and during phase transitions its not uncommon to get a plegma stack or two. Toxikon I'm mainly using once at the start of a fight or after a phase transition as its a loss to use
"but mobility!"
You don't need mobility. You got plenty of it already from the weave window plus the slidecast mark for a grand total of 1.3 of your 2.5s gcd being mobile plus plegma and eukrasia-Eukrasian dosis.

Pneuma is just going to be another thing to fire once every 2m to save an already underused addersgall.



edit: I'll update the op once rl calms a bit

[AngeliouxRein]

Lol its real easy to fall into the toxicon trap. Either you’re doing it out of boredom or you’re doing it because you genuinely think it’s the better way to go. But a large portion of the player base cares nothing about optimization so tanks now have a new type of healer to be concerned about. I personally do it out of boredom. When the tanks hp hits about half is when I use other skills to top them off but to fight off boredom… shield, all the shields lol.

[Deceptus]

Lol its real easy to fall into the toxicon trap. Either you’re doing it out of boredom or you’re doing it because you genuinely think it’s the better way to go. But a large portion of the player base cares nothing about optimization so tanks now have a new type of healer to be concerned about. I personally do it out of boredom. When the tanks hp hits about half is when I use other skills to top them off but to fight off boredom… shield, all the shields lol.

I'd rather just have 200-250 pot with zero drop off and call it a day.

Or raise it to 400 with the 50% drop off so it's at least better than Dyskrasia for aoe and better than Dosis for single target.

You're using a resource, it should hit hard.

[Allegor]

I'd rather just have 200-250 pot with zero drop off and call it a day.

Or raise it to 400 with the 50% drop off so it's at least better than Dyskrasia for aoe and better than Dosis for single target.

You're using a resource, it should hit hard.

As much as I'd like it to be stronger, I think that'd only make the problem of fishing for Toxicons even worse, not to mention the huge mp dump it'd be