A summary of healer issues

[Recon1o6]

Shouldn't hold hate friend, it's not healthy. Some people parse for themselves and themselves alone and never bring it up. Do you hate them as well?

No I dont. Its the arrogant buggers that I dislike in terms of parse users. ofc im not going to get above grey parse in a dungeon when I don't have a clue on blm since I never play it and I haven't played a dungeon yet where I had enochian.

To clarify: I dislike the tools in general because they basically exclude console players, and how open to abuse they are. In addition, I dislike the amount of cheating tools that can come with it (auto callouts for example) and how it basically encourages at least in NA a parse over respecting mechanics mentality and general reliance on callouts instead of actually learning mechanics.

Nowhere was this more obvious than DRS. The caller got one thing wrong and half the raid died like lemmings against trinity seeker even though they could all see where his blaes were glowing

However, I do understand the purpose of them and can see the value when used right given there's nothing to indicate your skill as a dps otherwise. XIV analysis's is closer to what I would consider to be a fair tool. It points out stuff (dont die, try not to overcap espirit etc) that can help

[Dogempire]

No I dont. Its the arrogant buggers that I dislike in terms of parse users. ofc im not going to get above grey parse in a dungeon when I don't have a clue on blm since I never play it and I haven't played a dungeon yet where I had enochian.

To clarify: I dislike the tools in general because they basically exclude console players, and how open to abuse they are. In addition, I dislike the amount of cheating tools that can come with it (auto callouts for example) and how it basically encourages at least in NA a parse over respecting mechanics mentality and general reliance on callouts instead of actually learning mechanics.

Nowhere was this more obvious than DRS. The caller got one thing wrong and half the raid died like lemmings against trinity seeker even though they could all see where his blaes were glowing

However, I do understand the purpose of them and can see the value when used right given there's nothing to indicate your skill as a dps otherwise. XIV analysis's is closer to what I would consider to be a fair tool. It points out stuff (dont die, try not to overcap espirit etc) that can help

Tbf as long as they never design raids around needing them like WoW does and they're never officially sanctioned, then I think it's fine for them to exist

I really doubt anyone cares that you parsed a 25 in Aumarot the 2nd day after 5.0 hits, heck people don't care if you parsed a 100 on all 4 savage raids, all 3 ultimate raids, and also in Cape Westwind. Same with Ultimate titles and solo deep dungeon titles, and the people that do care are generally crappy people who don't have anything else going for them other than a pink number next to their name in a raid that'll be obsolete in a matter of months

That being said, I agree with the callout programs, but I think actual people doing it is fine because it encourages voice chat and that encourages fun shenanigans and dumb jokes that make raids nights memorable aside from "We got the clear on xx day"

[ItMe]

That being said, I agree with the callout programs, but I think actual people doing it is fine because it encourages voice chat and that encourages fun shenanigans and dumb jokes that make raids nights memorable aside from "We got the clear on xx day"

I agree wholeheartedly.
I cannot understate how much more enjoyable things are when I can laugh and joke about with my friends.
And MMO is largely a vehicle we socialize through, so those fun shenanigans really feels like the meat and popotoes of my experiences.

[lisaa]

If healer design is so awful why is WHM consistenly the most popular job? This forum is an echo chamber while everyone else is just playing the game. And holy magic is so much prettier than dirty geomancer magic. We are white mage not green and brown mage

[Icecylee]

If WHM is the 'most popular' job, I'd hazard it's far less because of some mass appeal and people enjoying it, and more so because it's literally the only healer you can start the game with, and every other role having more options from the get go so people don't all clump up on one dps or tank the same way healers get funneled into WHM. Hell even when you've been at the game for a while and have all the jobs unlocked, there's still more tanks and *drastically* more DPS (all with varied play styles to boot), where as healers are all pretty samey once you figure out how they work so there's not a ton of reason to swap to a different one if it's something you only pull out on the rare occasion to shorten a queue anyway.

[Sebazy]

If healer design is so awful why is WHM consistenly the most popular job? This forum is an echo chamber while everyone else is just playing the game. And holy magic is so much prettier than dirty geomancer magic. We are white mage not green and brown mage

I'd argue it's popular for a couple of reasons:

It's the only healer route that's open from your first login without jumping through a few hoops first.

It's arguably one of the most iconic FF jobs ever.

It has the least emphasis on cooldowns relative to AST and SCH, therefore it's easier to play at a very basic level vs the others currently.

Lastly and perhaps most importantly, all 3 healer jobs are as badly designed as each other

Writing all of this off because you think it's an echo chamber is a truly shitty outlook though. Should I start writing everything you say off as some mindless white knight? No, because that's shallow, petty and doesn't achieve a thing.

[lisaa]

Yes lv 1 healers are why it is so popular among people with i500 or even i535 raid weapons. And even though you can also start as BLM or SMN at lv 1, SCH and AST are more popular

[lisaa]

Yeah I am just a white knight or troll or someone's alt or whatever. OP speaks for every healer and the only people who disagree can only be crazy/baiting/one person.

[Anhra]

If healer design is so awful why is WHM consistenly the most popular job? This forum is an echo chamber while everyone else is just playing the game. And holy magic is so much prettier than dirty geomancer magic. We are white mage not green and brown mage

White Mage is just the most popular Healer, not the most popular Job, and only because it is the only Healer you can choose right off the beginning of the Game and also being the most forgiving one in terms of difficulty.

As for the Magic itself, it is clearly stated in WHM and CNJ lore, that youre borrowing all your powers from Nature, from the Wind, Water and Earth to be precise. You even get it throughly explained by your Teachers how important it is to not take those Powers for granted and so on, yet current WHM tosses all that lore out of the Window and just gets generic Light Magic all over the place, even Y'shtola has a more WHM-like Spellkit than the WoL does.

[Semirhage]

There's already a genre of games where you can rhythmically press one button over and over again until your fingers cramp. They're called clickers and idle games.

And THOSE games have more complexity than current healers.

"It's so simple! It's so popular! I don't like managing anything else!" are all either excuses or total nonsense. White Mage has been designed like gutter trash for several expansions now. Pressing one button over and over and over again IS the class's gameplay when you develop any level of skill with it. It's insulting. It's boring. I'd rather watch paint dry. I'm not the only person who thinks this about job design. Where is OUR fun? As far as I can tell, Sylphies are only happy so long as literally everyone else hates the way jobs are designed. As far as I'm concerned, there's no actual productive discussion between the two vaguely-defined "sides". Sylphies won't brook with ANY improvements to job design. NO! No complexity! No fun! Stop trying to do anything but dance emote and spam cure! If you don't like it, get out of the role! Gaining skill is bad! Improving your uptime is for nerds! I want to heal ONLY! FF14 is one of those fidget tools for keeping your fingers busy while you binge Netflix shows. Increasing the skill ceiling above pressing a healing oGCD once a minute is for dirty hardcore players!

I like being useful to my party, and being good at being useful to my party. Having risks and rewards. I don't like performing a task that a three line script could handle. I'm just a Trust NPC at that point.