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  1. #601
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    FoxCh40s's Avatar
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    Source Eldion
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan_Clover View Post
    That's just silly. Job design shouldn't be dictated by hypothetical, social "what-ifs."
    If anything, you'd think it be LESS "harassment" because you have more on your plate, and therefore more to juggle.

    If people genuinely think being asked to use their full kit(which includes damage spells, a whopping 2 of them!) is harassment, then I'm concerned.
    Welcome to the argument then. It's been going on for awhile now. Get ready to bash your head against a Cermet Wall, cause that's exactly what it is.

    Live Letter: "We've read healer comments, stating that they want to go back to Heavensward Era, we're not going to do that."

    They've read all the feedback, all the comments, all the numerical information, and decided they don't care.
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  2. #602
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    AFuzzyMu11in's Avatar
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    Tiramisa Damsela
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    Behemoth
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    Scholar Lv 90
    except AST is your hw era so idk why people still asking for more buttons
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  3. #603
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    NobleWinter's Avatar
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    Winter Gem
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    Brynhildr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Astro in Heavensward was way more difficult than now. There is zero comparison with the current card system and Astro even had long cast times back then on top of more interactions throughout the kit like Time Dilation and Celestial Opposition affecting the length of their buffs. Heavensward was wild in the best way if you didn't care about Healer Balance over Healer Engagement.
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  4. #604
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    Recon1o6's Avatar
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    engagement is always better than balance, since balance can be changed and accounted for through battle design and potency adjustments- hence midas preferring whm despite ast being numerically superior. Balance is also changable very quickly by potency tweaks and cast time edits that can be done in a patch

    A lack of engagement is why healers have spent the past two/four years (delete depending on healer of your choice) trying to get changes, healers being rare in df, pf, statics and what few there are remaining are generally low skill.

    6.0 is nothing like hw astro. Cards are all the same, no buff timer extensions, cast times are equal, bare minimum damage buttons, no skill ceiling at all, no mp management and no noct sect
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  5. #605
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    GrimGale's Avatar
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Every new ability that they have added back in ShB and now in Endwalker makes the Nuke-spam problem worse:

    Temperance is an oGCD increases healing done and reduces damage recieved meaning you have to heal less.
    Lilybell is an oGCD that automatically heals the raid, meaning you have to heal less.
    Aquaveil, oGCD, reduces damage taken, you have to heal less. Divine Benison 2 charges, oGCD, same.

    Seraph, MP and oGCD free AoE shields and heals, 20s of free healing.
    Sacred Soil HoT, free oGCD healing.
    Protraction, efectively a free oGCD shield, better than Adlo.
    Expedient, oGCD damage reduction.

    Devs keep giving tools to healers that allow them to free GCDs for non-healing activities. And yet refuse to give healers anything beyond a single button nuke for said non-healing activities.
    They are actively desiging the healing jobs to make you spam Glarebroil.

    1.5s cast is just the tip of the iceberg.
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  6. #606
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    Jonathan_Clover's Avatar
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    Jonathan Clover
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    Zalera
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Every new ability that they have added back in ShB and now in Endwalker makes the Nuke-spam problem worse:

    Temperance is an oGCD increases healing done and reduces damage recieved meaning you have to heal less.
    Lilybell is an oGCD that automatically heals the raid, meaning you have to heal less.
    Aquaveil, oGCD, reduces damage taken, you have to heal less. Divine Benison 2 charges, oGCD, same.

    Seraph, MP and oGCD free AoE shields and heals, 20s of free healing.
    Sacred Soil HoT, free oGCD healing.
    Protraction, efectively a free oGCD shield, better than Adlo.
    Expedient, oGCD damage reduction.

    Devs keep giving tools to healers that allow them to free GCDs for non-healing activities. And yet refuse to give healers anything beyond a single button nuke for said non-healing activities.
    They are actively desiging the healing jobs to make you spam Glarebroil.

    1.5s cast is just the tip of the iceberg.
    Yeah, as much as I'm looking forward to Sage(RIP my Chemist dream. Gone but not forgotten) I feel it's going to be the biggest offender of this because of the Kardia system. They could have done so much more with it.
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  7. #607
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    QooEr's Avatar
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    Qoo Er
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    Sargatanas
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by NobleWinter View Post
    Astro in Heavensward was way more difficult than now. There is zero comparison with the current card system and Astro even had long cast times back then on top of more interactions throughout the kit like Time Dilation and Celestial Opposition affecting the length of their buffs. Heavensward was wild in the best way if you didn't care about Healer Balance over Healer Engagement.
    i miss time magic the most its the one aspect that i still dont fully understand why they gutted it. extending regens always felt so good and its a nice break from ogcd flat heals



    also the balance was actually pretty good in 3.3 and 3.4. everything went to shit after they decided to buff balance to 20% for absolutely no reason
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  8. #608
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    also the balance was actually pretty good in 3.3 and 3.4. everything went to shit after they decided to buff balance to 20% for absolutely no reason
    Mmmmmmm, balance between SCH's sidekicks was pretty good before the great Balance Buff. Scholar was *very* overpowered in Heavenward.
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  9. #609
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    Qoo Er
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    Sargatanas
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Mmmmmmm, balance between SCH's sidekicks was pretty good before the great Balance Buff. Scholar was *very* overpowered in Heavenward.
    not gonna contest that lol. noct never stood a chance even before sch got chain strat
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  10. #610
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Mmmmmmm, balance between SCH's sidekicks was pretty good before the great Balance Buff. Scholar was *very* overpowered in Heavenward.
    I continue to say they weren't overpowered so much as their kit was REALLY well designed. By that I mean they had an answer for everything and the other two jobs didn't.

    And instead of nerfing Scholar I long advocated for bringing the other two up which is what they eventually did. All the healing roles are essentially clones of each other with a small flavor built in.

    Quote Originally Posted by QooEr View Post
    not gonna contest that lol. noct never stood a chance even before sch got chain strat
    You're don't know the history of the game then. Noct AST eventually healed BETTER than SCH's could. Their shields were stronger potency than SCH, were instant cast, and they had card utility to boot.

    Heavensward was also FOUR years ago and SCH has been nerfed every expansion since then. They can't keep being held to the HW standard anymore, it's intellectually dishonest.
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    Last edited by Deceptus; 11-08-2021 at 08:53 AM.
    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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