A summary of healer issues

[Deceptus]

Cleric was at least more interesting because it had interactions with the DoT aspect of the old rotations. I don't think it fits anymore because of the tempo of current fights. It made sense in ARR where you had breathing room for its use.

Respectfully, you say this like there still isn't large gaps where there's zero damage going out. It could still be implemented today, but it would require smart use and pre-planning

Now if there was only a job that was designed completely around that entire concept . . .

[Dogempire]

Respectfully, you say this like there still isn't large gaps where there's zero damage going out. It could still be implemented today, but it would require smart use and pre-planning

Now if there was only a job that was designed completely around that entire concept . . .

As much as I liked when healers had cleric stance, the implementation itself was weird since healers were the only job whose main stat wasn't its damage stat (Though I think tanks may have briefly had their damage tied to vitality, but I forget since I didn't tank at that time)

I can't really see old cleric stance working as there isn't actually any substance to healer dps rotations, maybe if they changed it to a 20% damage boost and made it cost 3000 mp I could see it spicing things up a bit, but just swapping stats wouldn't really work well since it was more of a hindrance than an actual fun aspect of healing for the majority of people

[NobleWinter]

I still think Cleric stance should have been reworked instead of removed. While it's first iteration definitely tripped up a lot novice healers in ARR it could have been made foolproof by changing it's function to affect ONLY healing spells. If Cleric Stance made it so that aoe heals like Medica, Succor, and Helios did damage to all enemies in range equal to their cure potency it wouldn't have stopped anyone from being able to heal effectively. It would instead allow healers to power heal while maintaining dps uptime. If it was on a 60 second cooldown then healers could alternate using it to cover raid wides with GCD heals and save their oGCD tools for anytime they were outside Cleric Stance. I mean, can you imagine Cure 3 trashing mobs in a dungeon or Emergency Tactics decimating enemies? It would change the trajectory of our playstyles completely trying to maximise damage under Cleric Stance by using healing buffs. Dissipation and Temperance and Neutral Sect would suddenly be weapons of mass destruction. Even if the damage wasn't exactly equal to the healing potency it would still be really fun to use and fit into the more offensive healer dynamic this game is known for.

[Ironthorne]

They should just make dancer a healer.
- Healing dance partner by dealing dmg
- Healing step that would have different effects/potencies depending on the number of steps performed
- Add a few healing oGCDs here and there

[Absurdity]

They should just make dancer a healer.
- Healing dance partner by dealing dmg
- Healing step that would have different effects/potencies depending on the number of steps performed
- Add a few healing oGCDs here and there

That's essentially what people wanted Dancer to be before we knew that it would be a ranged physical dps.

[Hazama999]

That's essentially what people wanted Dancer to be before we knew that it would be a ranged physical dps.

The concept of dancer as a healer seemed so interesting to me because in my mind, it didn't really fit the sort of "mage" mold that healers have going for them. My imagination ran wild with weird gimmicks for the job that didn't necessarily involve it casting X or Y heals (or perhaps just a select few).

[Calysto]

With the removal of TP, any hope of dnc style healing died I think. Even in XI where it had a lot to work with, they made It just so it wasn't enough to be a main healer.

[Allegor]

That's essentially what people wanted Dancer to be before we knew that it would be a ranged physical dps.

The concept of dancer as a healer seemed so interesting to me because in my mind, it didn't really fit the sort of "mage" mold that healers have going for them. My imagination ran wild with weird gimmicks for the job that didn't necessarily involve it casting X or Y heals (or perhaps just a select few).

Yup, I liked to think DNC/chemist (CHM?) would be a "healer that plays like a NIN" basically

[Recon1o6]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Finally got around to adding scholar onto the sheet of shb actions. It was difficult tracking down some of the info and I am certain the pet potencies are slightly off.

Will do a comparison on launch of 6.0...not that I'll really need to with sch but more importantly, I will also update the summary of healer issues.


hopefully at EW launch one of the devs will chance across this thread

[NobleWinter]

Can we please start commenting on the more relevant and useful posts to stop having the spam from Victoria filling the first page of the forums. Im trying my best to avoid interaction with post that are just incredibly misleading and full of bait. It really delegitimizes the more productive discussion when someone new to the forum has to wade thru 5 or 6 poorly written rants based purely on speculation or outright lies to find anything useful.