A summary of healer issues

[WaxSw]

You have to manage evolving skills with a evolution button, skills that interact with each other, two separate confusing gauges that take planning and prep to use…..

So... you haven't even bothered to read the skills. Sge skills are almost identical to Sch and if someone reads them for more than 5m can see the smilarities, here are a few:

-Dosis with broil, Eukrasian Dosis with Biolysis (wich is only pressing Eukrasia before Dosis, Eukrasia being a buff that only affects 3 skills, saying its complicated is laughable) Dykrasia with art of war, this about dps
-Kardia is Embrace, Physis is whispering dawn, Holos is fey blessing and you could even treat Soteria as a flavour of Fey union, Panhaima is a flavour of Consolation, this about fairy skills
-Kerachole is Sacred Soil, Druochole is Lustrate, Ixochole is Indom and Taurochole is Excog and Rizomata is Recitation, this about Addersgall/Aetherflow which is only different in the way that is generated automatically.
-Diagnosis is Physick, Eukrasian Diagnosis is Adlo, Eukrasian Prognosis is Succor and Pepsis is Emergency Tactics, this about the gcd heals

To say as someone whose main class is Sch lv80 that Sge looks complicated when its Sch 2.0 tells me that either you're trolling and have not dedicated even the slightest thought and effort to read Sge's tooltips

Cause you can replace a dps quick. Getting new tanks/healers is not the same. Those jobs need to be as encouraging to everyone as possible because there are too many shoes to fill and not enough warm bodies to fill them.

I wonder why is that dps is that common, maybe is because their jobs are better designed? Also, how is that tanks are not oversimplified to 1 button spam when their role is also in high demand? or better, How is that back in HW and SB when healers had more tools there was no shortage of healers? Someone could say that good design and fun mechanics is what attracts players that put time and effort into the job and not how oversimplified a class is or how much does it cuddle the newbies/players who dont want to learn.

[GrimGale]

You have to manage evolving skills with a evolution button, skills that interact with each other, two separate confusing gauges that take planning and prep to use…..

Oh, c'mon now. That really has to be bait.

>Gauges are literally the same as WHM you get resources over time and your damage resource is just Blood lily you gain when your shield is absorbed.
>Evolving button turns three skills into three similar skills. Your damage turns to damage, your heal turns to shield, your aoe heal turns to aoe shield.
If you have ever used Plenary Indulgence, Horoscope, Presence of Mind, Thin Air or Recitation, the sage skill is not something alien or new. Just a modifier pre-skill you have a lot of in the other simpler healers.
>Skills that interact with each other, same ad the other healers. There is nothing truly unique or high complexity in Sage.

[Rosa_Frandlia]

Oh, c'mon now. That really has to be bait.

>Gauges are literally the same as WHM you get resources over time and your damage resource is just Blood lily you gain when your shield is absorbed.
>Evolving button turns three skills into three similar skills. Your damage turns to damage, your heal turns to shield, your aoe heal turns to aoe shield.
If you have ever used Plenary Indulgence, Horoscope, Presence of Mind, Thin Air or Recitation, the sage skill is not something alien or new. Just a modifier pre-skill you have a lot of in the other simpler healers.
>Skills that interact with each other, same ad the other healers. There is nothing truly unique or high complexity in Sage.

Have you looked at the changes to thin air? It encourages.... not using GCD's. 12 Second duration, only next cast is free. Thin Air air's optimal usage will now be on raises.

This seems a new healer problem that they added, MP management on WHM yet again.

[Reiryuu]

Out of curiosity, how is everyone feeling about some of the extra healing the tanks are getting? I'm not sure how I feel about it, personally. My initial reaction though is... why need healers?

[Melorie]

Out of curiosity, how is everyone feeling about some of the extra healing the tanks are getting? I'm not sure how I feel about it, personally. My initial reaction though is... why need healers?

When I looked the paladin toolkit (the only tank i've looked tbh) I was really surprised to see such amount of healing. Seems over-the-top to me, unless they really push the damage (which... historically we know that it doesn't usually happen). I can maybe see more 8man content being made with just one healer.

[KDSilver]

Out of curiosity, how is everyone feeling about some of the extra healing the tanks are getting? I'm not sure how I feel about it, personally. My initial reaction though is... why need healers?

If nothing justify so much healing from others jobs than healers, I feel bad for it.
It it's meant to compensate for higher damage taken, it could be okay tier I guess ? (that still something we won't be healing which is the contrary of what we've been asking).
But I won't hope too much from that theory.

[Calysto]

Some posts I made recently agregated into an idea (that's probably already been posted at some point in some form, but whatever)

Job Trait : quickened <whatever> : reduce the cast time of some 90s/120s ability.

That effect is almost unnoticeable by other players : no pressure.

And now my genius idea to proc it that so everyone is happy : Just base it on MP spent.
-Spam glare : bonus
-Spam cure I (because you hate dpsing) : bonus
-Watch Netflix : who notice if you don't shave a bit of your CD ?

No skill floor change ; reward always casting (even if not optimally, but whatever)
It doesn't fix the glarespam issue, but It just feels a little bit rewarding for every cast you make.

[Sunhwapark]

My main issue is that they keep scapegoating casual players to justify speedrunning how fast they can make the average skill ceiling collapse into the floor.

[Deceptus]

Out of curiosity, how is everyone feeling about some of the extra healing the tanks are getting? I'm not sure how I feel about it, personally. My initial reaction though is... why need healers?

To me it just shows the developers have no idea what they're doing with jobs because Tanks used to have good healing (Steel Cyclone, Abyssal Drain). Then it got removed in ShadowBringers, only for it to come back in Endwalker.

It's like they don't understand that people have memories and can remember this stuff and speak up.