A summary of healer issues

[Deceptus]

I absolutely do not speak for solely these groups like you insinuate
-I hate parsers, I hate parsing players

Shouldn't hold hate friend, it's not healthy. Some people parse for themselves and themselves alone and never bring it up. Do you hate them as well?

[Recon1o6]

Shouldn't hold hate friend, it's not healthy. Some people parse for themselves and themselves alone and never bring it up. Do you hate them as well?

No I dont. Its the arrogant buggers that I dislike in terms of parse users. ofc im not going to get above grey parse in a dungeon when I don't have a clue on blm since I never play it and I haven't played a dungeon yet where I had enochian.

To clarify: I dislike the tools in general because they basically exclude console players, and how open to abuse they are. In addition, I dislike the amount of cheating tools that can come with it (auto callouts for example) and how it basically encourages at least in NA a parse over respecting mechanics mentality and general reliance on callouts instead of actually learning mechanics.

Nowhere was this more obvious than DRS. The caller got one thing wrong and half the raid died like lemmings against trinity seeker even though they could all see where his blaes were glowing

However, I do understand the purpose of them and can see the value when used right given there's nothing to indicate your skill as a dps otherwise. XIV analysis's is closer to what I would consider to be a fair tool. It points out stuff (dont die, try not to overcap espirit etc) that can help

[viola_vilgrantz]

I've been thinking about these issues and I've been wondering honestly, aside from the clear need for more identity for each healer (which they used to have, but it is what it is), that maybe they should honestly drop the whole 1 damage button, 1 DoT deal they have now, and replace it with a 1, 2, 3 combo, but instead of making it just that, have it where if you do your combo, you actually get a proc to your heals/regens/shields or something. I mean, if the incentive is to do more DPS, at least they can make a proper rotation that -also- aids your main healing abilities to make them stronger, right? Rewarding one with the other. Maybe even conversely proc'ing your damage buttons with your healing buttons too.

[ForsakenRoe]

Maybe even conversely proc'ing your damage buttons with your healing buttons too.

Exactly what i tried to lay out in a thread i made, at least for WHM. to sum up (and shill the idea again cos i think its a good one):

- new gauge, 0-100. stone gives 1, aero gives 1 + 1 per tick (aero is now 12sec so 4 ticks), new skill water (becomes banish later) gives 5 but is a 15sec CD. this averages out to (by my maths) about 60 gauge per min, assuming zero GCDs spent on non-damage, giving a bit of leniency in case you need to throw lily heals or something

- 50 gauge lets you use new skill 'Blessing of the Elementals' (name is WIP). 500p GCD heal, aoe, due to it's semi-enforced CD of 'sorta kinda near 1 min' due to gauge charging time, it's intended to be a competitor to Earthly Star in power

- using BOTE gives 3 new buffs, corresponding to earth, water, wind. these turn stone water and aero into quake, flood, tornado for one cast each. the buffs stack to 2, so if you need to use 100 gauge back to back, you dont lose out on stacks

- quake/flood are 100p stronger than their current elemental equivalent. tornado is 30p on cast, plus 20p per tick, totalling 110. this, added to the 100 from quake and flood, totals 310, the potency of a glare 3. as such, BOTE is damage neutral overall

- people would have a new skill expression, as BOTE's refund mechanic hits harder than the regular glare spam, moving quake and tornado inside raidbuffs alongside misery via clever lily/BOTE planning will allow optimisers to have a new thing to optimise

i do think the idea of a 'cycle', of dps feeds healing > healing refunds dps is a good idea, we have the second half already with misery being the refund for the lily heals, now we just need a way for our dps to feed into our healing, and i propose something like the above, this idea only needs 2 buttons added, so just make cure 1 upgrade into cure 2, and medica 1 upgrade into medica 2, and problem solved. Or remove cure3 and replace with BOTE, but i think people might riot at that one

[Zakuyia]

everyone talking about this and me sitting in corner missing old astro cards and just wishing they return like how they do them on pvp .-. I can dream tho

[Akava]

I have a lot of issues with healers as they are today but the biggest issue to me personally is the new Regen Healer & Shield Healer design. We added a healer in EW yet it feels more restrictive.

Before EW, I was willing to play WHM or AST and that covered any possible healing combo. Now, if my healing partner is a WHM or AST, I'm out of luck, so I've been forced to add SGE even though my interest in the job is minimal. It would be unfair for me to say that in the past things were perfectly balanced, most people didn't want to run a WHM and a nocturnal AST but it was possible and I wish it was something they continued to work on.

They were going to try this approach with tanks (PLD & DRK would be MTs and WAR/GNB would be OT iirc) but the community voiced their distaste for the idea and the devs changed course. They took that concept and applied it to healers instead and I don't understand why.

On a related note, I really do hate how shield healers can step on each other's toes while regen healers see no issues working together.

[ForsakenRoe]

On a related note, I really do hate how shield healers can step on each other's toes while regen healers see no issues working together.

The issue with shield healers is that you can overwrite each other's shields. The issue with regen healers is that you lack so much mitigation between you, you cannot actually clear some savage fights until you outgear the hell out of them. I think it's a fundamental flaw, that two jobs in the game cannot clear content together because of a design choice, especially considering the other two CAN clear content together, and with coordination can often be a better choice than 1 pure/1 shield. It'd be like if PLD and GNB couldn't clear fights because their invulns are too long to deal with the fight's design. Oh, but WAR DRK CAN work together, along with any other comp that isn't PLD GNB.

[Absurdity]

The issue with regen healers is that you lack so much mitigation between you, you cannot actually clear some savage fights until you outgear the hell out of them. I think it's a fundamental flaw, that two jobs in the game cannot clear content together because of a design choice, especially considering the other two CAN clear content together, and with coordination can often be a better choice than 1 pure/1 shield.

This leads back to the fundamental design flaw of CBU3's endgame encounter design, that they're all just fights that require strong mitigation and not consistently strong healing output.

But also a general imbalance between mitigation/shields and pure healing, mitigation/shields are always useful even if the attack wouldn't have oneshot everyone. The same however can't be said for healing, if the mechanic flat out kills your party then no amount of healing afterwards can fix that.

[XiaoShengwu]

bumpity bumpity

[Cled-cat]

Healing went from being my favourite role to my least favourite with the Shadowbringers (and to a lesser extent, Stormblood) changes. Healers need more love and attention badly. They’re so boring and uninspired to play it’s actually painful playing as a healer now. Comparing Healers to DPS/Tanks is like comparing a £1 burger in a can to a gourmet restaurant burger, not only does it look and feel crap in comparison but it also leaves a bad taste in your mouth.