A summary of healer issues

[Recon1o6]

unlike the majority of the members of the forums here, I had to sleep because the live letter was 3am for me

Good fucking grief its a good thing i did. Otherwise i would have been too annoyed to sleep.


2 years we pointed out how 1 button dps and pure healing is a terrible design and they doubled down on it. I'll do a breakdown later. Looks like I'll be sticking to dancer and rdm for my healing and buffing.

[SpiralMask]

I'm just depressed at this point. at least SMN looks fun enough to fall back on!

[Jirah]

Impressive how the devs ignored this for a 3rd expansion in a row. It isn’t even a hard thing to fix just give each healer some damage variance , SCH gets its old dots back, have AST and WHM get proc based skills but not overbearing to drown out their role responsibilities. They are really delusional to think healers are that vital as content gets hilariously easier and more scripted making the “healers need to heal” argument completely miss the mark

[Dyvid]

Honestly, I've lost confidence in the Battle Team and the ones directing the battle team. They've lost connection with the player base and just winging it, fueled by success and arrogance. It's not just about Healers either but the whole game design is slipping.

After they had to save the game from an arrogant producer, they made a battle system that work with job that complimented each other. Jobs had a skill level from easy to hard. Jobs had different designs of playstyle. Now Tank Roles and Healer Roles are basically carbon copies. Jobs are being dumbed down for greater mass appeal. Non of the key issues from expansion after expansion are being address because the Devs think everything is fine; the players are just playing the game wrong.

I may not be a healer but I do know this group has point blank told the Devs exactly what they hate and exactly how to fix it; it's an insult that they just flat out ignore the player base.

[Crushnight]

It would be nice to have achievements for the healer job like they did for the tank jobs.

I'd like that but that would require the devs to admit they messed healers up enough that they need to add incentives to get people to play more.

With this dev team I don't see it happening atm.

[Imora]

Name it.

Because in any game healers have to level somehow and you can't heal mobs to death.

Back in my day healers leveled in a group, with others, in a single camp spot, while the other party members killed the mobs for you while you debuffed and buffed and healed.

It was the game that started it all as we know it, and we called it EverQuest.

Soloing was limited to a few classes that could kite well. You made a party, you found a camp, and you stayed there for hours grinding XP. You talked to people while waiting for respawns. You made friends. The game was the social experience, not the content.

And it was great.

[Sebazy]

Everquest is kind of an iffy one to use.

Clerics were very much the pocket healer as you describe, others not so much to varying degrees.

I can't even begin to express how much I miss my old handbag shaman from EQ1, I started planes raids solo, solo'd fairly significant dragons, solo'd Rakashir for a friends epic, I could just grab anyone from the guild and go merit farming, didn't matter what classes came as I could always just cover any gaps myself. Pulling, tanking, healing, even dpsing (to a lesser degree of course). FFXIV healer's are wastes of oxygen compared to what I used to get up to on my Shammy =(

Druids were less openly broken but still typically did best just soloing via quad kiting.

[Irenia]

Granado Espada

To be fair, I'd argue your "player character" in that game was your entire kit of three units you used, giving you alot of customization. It was rather neat.

Unfortunately, I never got far not deep enough to anything considered high level, so I have no idea how things performed there.

EDIT:

The closest thing to a DPS shunning healer was Ragnarok Online's Priest and its derivatives. When I played, if you wanted to heal as a Priest, you'd choose to focus on survival, cast times, or some blend of them. The cast time focused ones often dabbled in undead slaying, but since I wanted to be the healiest of healers, I went survival.

Healing in that game was really simple, keep everyone buffed, use your utility skills when needed, heal when needed, and spam heal when things got tense.

Even then, I ended up being the most engaged when I played part time tank. Even had a quasi provoke, haha. It make me realize that I needed more than just healing. While tense moments were fun, because dying cost exp and wiping wastes so much time, no one actually wanted to be tense.

In the end, the reason I latched onto FFXIV was that healers had a damage skill actually worth a damn, heh.

[Recon1o6]

So, yoshida confirmed in a question from mr happy that healers are supposed to be new to healing and we ought to feel satisfied that we are skillfull enough to be able to do damage in the first place. If we don't like it, go play sage

Mrhappy: Has the team noticed or taken any feedback on improving interactivity with healers, whether that be more interesting dps skills or increasing healing requirements

Yoshida: We understand why high skill players desire more technical aspects to dpsing when playing healer. They are able to put damage skills very often between the healing that is required. But we won't make any dramatic addition of dps skills to healers moving forward. New players shouldn't feel this immense pressure to do damage on healing jobs because we forced them to have a bunch of damage skills. they should get their exhilaration from improving how well they heal then consider if they have the time to dps

Mrhappy: he then added a reminder that sage is coming out...if a player wants a healer with a more dps focus they might enjoy sage a bit more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXkyq_yUMjI&t=365s

and here's the skill lists. Consider these about 85% complete since potencies might go up and down a bit.

Whm getting a lily from holy? pfft Astro cards? nadda. Sch anything? nope.

https://gamerescape.com/wp-content/u...M_xmas2092.png
https://gamerescape.com/wp-content/u...T_xmas2092.png
https://gamerescape.com/wp-content/u...H_xmas2092.png
https://gamerescape.com/wp-content/u...E_xmas2092.png

edit: look forward to next week ish sometime and I'll update the summary of healer issues. I got an exam on either the monday or wednesday