A summary of healer issues

[Truen]

both 1-2-3 combo and 1111111111 interact with fight mechanics in some way ^^

also these are all mostly static fights, cooldowns and resources on most jobs can be mapped and you'll just get a very long 1-...-N combo so over time every fight will become muscle memory

I understand your position and I get where you're coming from. I miss the options we had between dots, shields, heals/shields, and ofc direct damage spells. They stripped away that diversity though and left us with a shell of we once had. THAT is why I say I hate 5.0 changes. The design is very shallow.

[Mortex]

everything becomes boring given enough time, that includes cooldowns and resource management; so how much time will it be matters - and for 11111111111 the time is instantly

I mean I do find nin opener still really engaging because you press so many buttons and with mudras a fail cost a lot of dps

[Semirhage]

And yet, 111111111111111 is still boring. Even if you have cooldowns and resource management. Perhaps healers could have multiple damage buttons that interact with one another, or proc things, or influence the rest of the kit in some way.

You can't make 1111111111 fun just by throwing resource management around it. It's one button, with a second button every 30 seconds. There's no room for growth or complexity there. Fun largely comes from choices. Having one choice means your damage complexity ceiling is...press it or don't press it.

[Mortex]

Maybe arrogance too though...either way, 5.0 build healers are a more boring, inferior version of what we once had. They dropped the ball.

It’s really hard too think why they don’t listen what the player do say. Like even the japan community gave them fire for the healer debacle. Either they are so understaffed in the job department that they have no time too massively change stuff, but on the other hand they fixed ninja in less then 2 raid tiers and tried too fix Mnk while they didn’t gave a fluff about whm.

[Absurdity]

It’s really hard too think why they don’t listen what the player do say. Like even the japan community gave them fire for the healer debacle. Either they are so understaffed in the job department that they have no time too massively change stuff, but on the other hand they fixed ninja in less then 2 raid tiers and tried too fix Mnk while they didn’t gave a fluff about whm.

That's because ninja is a dps, they've been severely understaffed when it comes to any job designer that isn't a dps main for like 2 expansions atleast.
As for monk...they didn't know what to do with it since the initial design in ARR, so I'm not surprised that it ended up this barebones.

[currentlemon]

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More than likely, they are understaffed. From what I understand, a previous poster on this thread mentioned that they lost a battle dev during Shadowbringer's development. Losing a single dev may not sound bad, but it really hampered their ability to design certain Jobs in this game. You can see the lack of design choice when you look at the healer jobs, DRK, WAR, and MNK.

[Deceptus]

More than likely, they are understaffed. From what I understand, a previous poster on this thread mentioned that they lost a battle dev during Shadowbringer's development. Losing a single dev may not sound bad, but it really hampered their ability to design certain Jobs in this game. You can see the lack of design choice when you look at the healer jobs, DRK, WAR, and MNK.

Per the credits they only had IIRC: A supervisor, 2 main devs and an intern for their battle role design team.

They've been short staffed on the battle job design team for years now and it's completely on them why they haven't rectified that. It's not like they're hurting for money.

The irony with monk is that they had before the shadowbringer version the best one with stormblood. Like double tackle and tornado kick opener was pretty hard and rewarding too do so i still have no clue why they would just take that away and make it so boring.

Because tackles didn't really fit the monk design and the tornado kick opener wasn't intended, it was niche, and it was extremely hard to pull off if you had any lag whatsoever.

[Recon1o6]

It’s really hard too think why they don’t listen what the player do say. Like even the japan community gave them fire for the healer debacle. Either they are so understaffed in the job department that they have no time too massively change stuff, but on the other hand they fixed ninja in less then 2 raid tiers and tried too fix Mnk while they didn’t gave a fluff about whm.

Monk in sb was flat out unplayed as much as it was in shb. Most of its stuff was completely useless or non functional and the opener didn't work if you had any ping whatsover. Plus it was weak and lacked utility...you know exactly like whm in sb.

Until the job design team gets a substantial increase with at least 1 dev that mains healers and another tanks, then dps will still get preferential treatment to the detriment of other roles.

The dps players also need to get their heads out their arses and realise that just because they aren't spamming cure/benefic/physick does not mean the healers arent healing

[Reiryuu]

Until the job design team gets a substantial increase with at least 1 dev that mains healers and another tanks, then dps will still get preferential treatment to the detriment of other roles.

The dps players also need to get their heads out their arses and realise that just because they aren't spamming cure/benefic/physick does not mean the healers arent healing

If you've actually done the healer Halls of the Novice Trials, you'll find that's exactly how the devs expect healers to act. The "trainer" NPC will scream at you to heal your allies when they're at like 80% health. It's so pathetic and annoying -_-;

[Recon1o6]

If you've actually done the healer Halls of the Novice Trials, you'll find that's exactly how the devs expect healers to act. The "trainer" NPC will scream at you to heal your allies when they're at like 80% health. It's so pathetic and annoying -_-;

i am fully aware of that, after all, I am the OP and I put that in the starting post

unfortunately, it appears the member of the job team that wrote that was the one who left in HW