A summary of healer issues

[Deceptus]

War has a spammed filler combo. (Glare)
War has a maintenance combo (Dia)
War has 1 (2 with IR) ogcds used whenever it's up. (Assize)
War has a steroid phase (POM)
War has a gauge spender (Misery)

This is completely apples to oranges.

A filler combo isn't the same thing as pressing a single button 12 times.

A maintenance combo isn't the same thing as pressing a button ONCE every 30s.

War's gauge spender isn't comparable at all to the single button press of Misery. You can Misery once every 90s, vs the plethora of times a Warrior can fell cleave in that time frame.

While I hope that the healers will get a much needed overhaul since AST certianly is going to need one with it becoming more on the WHM side of the healing spectrum, I totally expect AST to get majorly screwed over and the other healers mostly left out in the cold. Sage already sounds like it was something thrown together that they had no clear image for just from the interviews they've had about it. So... my hopes for healing in 6.0 are pretty low T_T; I hope I'm wrong... but... something tells me I won't be.

My spider sense is telling me they're going to design Sage fairly well and all the SCH's who are fed up with fairy clunkiness (read: Most of them) are switching.

[Kabooa]

This is completely apples to oranges.

A filler combo isn't the same thing as pressing a single button 12 times.

A maintenance combo isn't the same thing as pressing a button ONCE every 30s.

War's gauge spender isn't comparable at all to the single button press of Misery. You can Misery once every 90s, vs the plethora of times a Warrior can fell cleave in that time frame.

You're right. The White Mage's takes more thought to optimize. (But I'm assuming that wasn't the argument you were trying to make.)

[AikenDrum]

You're right. The White Mage's takes more thought to optimize. (But I'm assuming that wasn't the argument you were trying to make.)

the argument was white mage is more mechanically dull to play than warrior ^^ hard to optimize != fun to play

[Mortex]

War has a spammed filler combo. (Glare)
War has a maintenance combo (Dia)
War has 1 (2 with IR) ogcds used whenever it's up. (Assize)
War has a steroid phase (POM)
War has a gauge spender (Misery)

That's the War's rotation. It is not something to envy.

And just so we curtail this, yes, they (War and Whm) and their peers all need more.

Yes and I can agree with you on all of these things. We’re all other jobs got some need rotation changes war and healers got jack. Well to be fair Drk got also the back hand from Dark Arts to edge spam also making delirium from a unique skill to a inner release clone and also only 1 combo ender.

[Reiryuu]

I agree with most of the points in this thread... unfortunately it's unlikely ever to get read by anyone that really matters.

Some other points I might add are: playing with an alt (tank) it's pretty plain to see that just about every solo duty is designed for any job that's not a healer. You're always given a healer in the group and while that's not always a bad thing, generally speaking you as the WoL are supposed to tank and do damage. Look at the instance in 5.55 as a good example. You're paired with a DPS and a healer... so if you already are a healer, you're lacking in the dps department and you're forced to tank for your buddies, too. I doubt it will ever happen, but it would be nice if they substituted a tank for the extra healer if you're a healer... but I digress... apparently Warriors of Light are not supposed to be healers =/

Do you see Derplander ever being a healer on a trailer? Nope, neither do I. Sure, healing isn't something that usually takes the spotlight most of the time, but in this game it's just downright dull. Though, to be perfectly fair, I don't see Derplander ever being a black mage either and I could even say it's a fair bet he will never be a summoner.

While I hope that the healers will get a much needed overhaul since AST certianly is going to need one with it becoming more on the WHM side of the healing spectrum, I totally expect AST to get majorly screwed over and the other healers mostly left out in the cold. Sage already sounds like it was something thrown together that they had no clear image for just from the interviews they've had about it. So... my hopes for healing in 6.0 are pretty low T_T; I hope I'm wrong... but... something tells me I won't be.

[Irenia]

This is completely apples to oranges.

A filler combo isn't the same thing as pressing a single button 12 times.

A maintenance combo isn't the same thing as pressing a button ONCE every 30s.

War's gauge spender isn't comparable at all to the single button press of Misery. You can Misery once every 90s, vs the plethora of times a Warrior can fell cleave in that time frame.

This is true.

The main thing to remember is that buttons are more than their mechanics. Aesthetics matter alot for enjoying a job, and this includes which order you press the buttons. And because of this, pressing WAR DPS buttons are more fun than pressing WHM DPS buttons.

[NobleWinter]

If we have to press a single button for most of the duty it should cause an interaction. Broil, Glare, and Malefic don't proc anything. They don't build any guages either. Malefic is the only one that gives space for movement and weaving and its still boring. If our dps was gonna be simplified to this point they could have given a one button combo so at least the animation changes as we mash away at it. Things can be simple without being obnoxious and healer dps is currently obnoxious. We are the only role that has absolutely no reason to use a training dummy. Something has got to give becuade I distinctly remember they released Scholar with no Energy Drain and they apparently had no clue it was a terrible idea. Clearly no one plays healers at any level beyond surviving in the play testing and we already know most encounters can be done without a healer even being present. They made bare minimum effort with the entire role after years of feedback and just look at Fluid Aura if you want proof.

[Reiryuu]

They made bare minimum effort with the entire role after years of feedback and just look at Fluid Aura if you want proof.

I mean, just look at the history of WHM spells being taken away and given back, slightly tweaked or combined together, as "new spells" expanisons later for that.

[Mimilu]

I mean, just look at the history of WHM spells being taken away and given back, slightly tweaked or combined together, as "new spells" expanisons later for that.

Just to list them off:

Aero III: Removed in 5.0
Cleric Stance: Had its effect changed and turned into a Role Action in 4.0 then removed in 5.0
Divine Seal: Renamed Largesse and turned into a Role Action in 4.0, then removed in 5.0
Esuna: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0 (SCH lost Leeches and AST lost Exalted Detriment)
Protect: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0 then removed in 5.0
Repose: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0
Shroud of Saints: Renamed Lucid Dreaming and turned into a Role Action in 4.0 (AST lost Luminiferious Aether)
Stoneskin: Turned into Divine Benison in 4.0
Stoneskin II: Removed in 4.0

[Deceptus]

Just to list them off:

Aero III: Removed in 5.0
Cleric Stance: Had its effect changed and turned into a Role Action in 4.0 then removed in 5.0
Divine Seal: Renamed Largesse and turned into a Role Action in 4.0, then removed in 5.0
Esuna: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0 (SCH lost Leeches and AST lost Exalted Detriment)
Protect: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0 then removed in 5.0
Repose: Turned into a Role Action in 4.0
Shroud of Saints: Renamed Lucid Dreaming and turned into a Role Action in 4.0 (AST lost Luminiferious Aether)
Stoneskin: Turned into Divine Benison in 4.0
Stoneskin II: Removed in 4.0

Missed one.

And then Largesse merged with Protect and became Temperance