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  1. #341
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Recon1o6 View Post
    hrm can't find the exact pet tax potencies for sch anywhere. So I'm going to do them all as 30% tax rate since it makes nice round numbers as opposed to 1/3 which is what it seems to be. Stay tuned
    Hope you haven't already done your math, but at a 520 gear level here are my calculations:

    Spammed Physic (400 potency) for an average heal of 20822.65. Then took the average of each of those spells divided by 4 to get the 100 potency average which was 5205.66. Took out all crit values

    Did the same for Eos. Embrace is a 150 potency heal. Average across all heals minus crits: 5304.4
    Normalized to 100 potency value average: 3536.266667

    3536.266667 / 5205.66

    .67931 or 67.93%

    Adjusted to 100 Potency spells, Eos' heals are ~33% less than ours. This was a small sample but seems to track.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  2. #342
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    Roeshel's Avatar
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    No thanks. Healing is fine the way it is. I say just give all healers an aoe dot for dungeons and add a debuff to their aoe dps skill like whm. Maybe add slow or heavy to gravity and maybe attack down to scholar and move on.
    What? In what way is healing fine in this game?
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  3. #343
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    GrimGale's Avatar
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    No thanks. Healing is fine the way it is. I say just give all healers an aoe dot for dungeons and add a debuff to their aoe dps skill like whm. Maybe add slow or heavy to gravity and maybe attack down to scholar and move on.
    Yes please. Healing is not fine the way it is.
    If you don't want to DPS as a healer then you should'nt care for more DPS skills to be added.

    Adding abilities around healing in the form of offensive utility or damage weaving tools doesn't hurt a "heal only" healer. After all, DPS as a healer is technically "optional". To fulfill your role, you must at least keep people alive during unavoidable damage and mechanics.

    On the other hand, removing skills and non-healing abilities hurts the gameplay of those that wish to expand upon their role's capabilities and contribute beyond healing.
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  4. 07-27-2021 09:05 AM

  5. #344
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    Semirhage's Avatar
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    No thanks. Healing is fine the way it is. I say just give all healers an aoe dot for dungeons and add a debuff to their aoe dps skill like whm. Maybe add slow or heavy to gravity and maybe attack down to scholar and move on.
    Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare

    I'm having so much fun.

    I guarantee every post will be either healers need to heal or stop dps so much and do your job.
    Who cares? We can't complain when the DPS are horrible at their jobs. You get banned for that because you're using a Scary Parser. Why do we have to lobotomize the healer role just in case the community whines about garbage can tier healing in the duty finder? Sink or swim.
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    Last edited by Semirhage; 07-27-2021 at 09:14 AM.

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  8. #345
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    Glare spam is very fun. Also you have that beautiful blood lily Lol. Also, I didn’t say we can’t complain about dps. Can do what you want. All I’m saying is healers don’t need full fledge dps rotations. Obviously square agrees because look at what we have. Not changing my mind about it. If you want dps rotations then go play the dps role. You can’t have it all. Dps can’t heal so why should healers be able to dps just as good as them? Think about it.
    You are aware there's a difference between potency and complexity, yes?

    Healers Should Heal Only is not how this game works.
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  9. #346
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    SweetPete's Avatar
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    Princess- Princess
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    Coeurl
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    You are aware there's a difference between potency and complexity, yes?

    Healers Should Heal Only is not how this game works.
    I’ve deleted my post. This will go on forever lol. I have my opinions and you guys are free to have yours too. I’ll leave it at that. Healer dps is a sensitive issue to some. I forgot that.

    For the record I never said healers should only heal. I main heal and I don’t even do that. As always people take only what they want from others post and then speak on that. I’m done with this subject.
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  10. #347
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    Semirhage's Avatar
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    I’ve deleted my post. This will go on forever lol. I have my opinions and you guys are free to have yours too. I’ll leave it at that. Healer dps is a sensitive issue to some. I forgot that.

    For the record I never said healers should only heal. I main heal and I don’t even do that. As always people take only what they want from others post and then speak on that. I’m done with this subject.
    Yes yes, complexity is too hard and Sylphies are too brain-dead to handle anything beyond pressing one button a bajillion times. Everyone must play boring healer jobs because spamming one spell is "fun".
    Have fun playing Conjurer. *wave*
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    Last edited by Semirhage; 07-27-2021 at 10:07 AM.

  11. #348
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    Jace Ossura
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare.
    Stone stone stone stone was way better.
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  12. #349
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Stone stone stone stone was way better.
    Yes, White Mage has always been boring and should definitely stay that way.
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  13. #350
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    Avarnia Corthal
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    Adamantoise
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    if 3 of the tanks (gnb, war and pld) can get rotations, why cant the healers?

    honestly I'm more surprised that drg hasn't been wrecked since its the only job of mine in sb or shb that didn't get lobotomised. Perhaps it will in endwalker what with the current job designers determined to make things worse every expansion unless of course, its black mage
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