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  1. #1781
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    I mean, E. Dyskrasia is literally Miasma II, which is what quite a few vocal people wanted to see added back to SCH for something to break up the Broils and Biolysis casts[...]
    Calling E.Dyskrasia a Miasma II is actually a stretch IMHO. Aside from itching the desire to have applicable "2nd DoT", they absolutely have no further resemblance beyond that for few following reason (CMIIW):
    1. Higher MP cost
    2. Cast time
    3. Different timers
    Other than that, I agree.
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  2. #1782
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Calling E.Dyskrasia a Miasma II is actually a stretch IMHO. Aside from itching the desire to have applicable "2nd DoT", they absolutely have no further resemblance beyond that for few following reason (CMIIW):
    1. Higher MP cost
    2. Cast time
    3. Different timers
    Other than that, I agree.
    I mean, does it need to be anything other then a 2nd DoT that's a DPS gain on a single-target even though it was designed for AoE use to be like Miasma II?
    All the things you listed are superfluous to the conversation when functionally it's going to be the same as Miasma II (at least based on the Media Tour's build). ꉂ (´∀`)ʱªʱªʱª
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  3. #1783
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    I mean, does it need to be anything other then a 2nd DoT that's a DPS gain on a single-target even though it was designed for AoE use to be like Miasma II?
    All the things you listed are superfluous to the conversation when functionally it's going to be the same as Miasma II (at least based on the Media Tour's build). ꉂ (´∀`)ʱªʱªʱª
    Well for one thing, both E.Dyskrasia and E.Dosis being 30s timer means they're just going to be used one after another. That's about 2 less Dosis casts per minute vs today's. A good shake-up IMHO would've been condensing the 2nd DoT down to anywhere from 12s to 24s.
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  4. #1784
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Well for one thing, both E.Dyskrasia and E.Dosis being 30s timer means they're just going to be used one after another. That's about 2 less Dosis casts per minute vs today's. A good shake-up IMHO would've been condensing the 2nd DoT down to anywhere from 12s to 24s.
    Now that's adds to the conversation. °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°
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  5. #1785
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayalu View Post
    It would probably help if both sides would work together and not argue for opposing directions. What we have in common is dissatisfaction about how it is currently.
    JP has a different idea of how healers should work then most westerners. They want it to be healing only focused while most people in the west want a balance between healing and dps with unique dps mechanics like how western MMOs have been handling healers for the most part.
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  6. #1786
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    JP has a different idea of how healers should work then most westerners. They want it to be healing only focused while most people in the west want a balance between healing and dps with unique dps mechanics like how western MMOs have been handling healers for the most part.
    Unless Square actually decides to make damage that needs to be healed there's not much reason to just stand there and look pretty, especially if nothing is happening. Doubly so in casual content.

    Dungeon boss AI is too slow. It's basically 3 autos then one mechanic, repeat. The mechanics themselves can stay simple but they come at us far too slow (or the cast times are just too long).
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  7. #1787
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    JP has a different idea of how healers should work then most westerners. They want it to be healing only focused while most people in the west want a balance between healing and dps with unique dps mechanics like how western MMOs have been handling healers for the most part.
    I am aware and i am not opposed to that either. Im not that interrested in DPS myself, i just want fun mechanics back for example the diverse effects on the Astro Cards.
    Options to support the team further would also fit in the Healer category and i dont mean extra minigation.
    But diverse buffings option got pruned a long time ago.

    Believe me i would like to support new Players with some nice buffs but best i can do is give them a High level shield if they are in danger
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  8. #1788
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    I am glad that this thread is still alive. It goes to show you how long people have been at odds with SE's design philosophy for the healer role. Much longer, in fact.
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  9. #1789
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    Well, the fix is in, and according to little starbirds, Eukrasian Dyskrasia no longer stacks with Eukrasian Dosis. Effectively killing the idea of 'a return of Miasma 2'
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  10. #1790
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Well, the fix is in, and according to little starbirds, Eukrasian Dyskrasia no longer stacks with Eukrasian Dosis. Effectively killing the idea of 'a return of Miasma 2'
    Apparently 'fun' is a bug to CBU3's dictionary, and has to be vanquished.
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