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    ZubaanJCP's Avatar
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    Sakura Nishihori
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    As a tank main who seconds healer... I'm grateful to healers for what they do.

    Yeah there's problems with the safeness of FFXIV's designs. However, I'm a long time player of both major MMOs and I'll take the scriptedness of 14 over the chaos of WoW.

    Does it make healing more boring and the threshold harder to get good... Yeah. I think most of the time it's just how the design is coupled with tanks getting better. If you take away the scripted nature of FFXIV, then you run the risk of getting RNG-screwed with busters and autos. I don't think the fix is crits on autos, but harder hitting autos and party-wide autos, and higher incoming damage from vulns. But I also think that means that the 30-sec mits that tanks have need to be a bit stronger... Not much, just a bit.

    Just one thought. But I get it. I support harder content for healers to grow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    Couldn't really find a better thread so asking here.

    There's already posts in the JP forums asking to either make E. Dyskrasia and E. Dosis' dots overwrite eachother or make E. Dyskrasia dps neutral or a loss compared to Dosis with a decent number of upvotes, so I'm wondering how this side of the community sees it.

    I'd personally be okay-ish with it being neutral since it'd function as a mobility tool on a 30s cd that way, but not anything beyond that. I'm especially against them overwriting.
    I mean, E. Dyskrasia is literally Miasma II, which is what quite a few vocal people wanted to see added back to SCH for something to break up the Broils and Biolysis casts.
    Personally, I'll have to see how it handles but I think it's better then only getting the new DPS toys every 2-minutes, like Glare IV, Oracle, and Baneful Impaction.
    The devs really need to improve healer's GCD gameplay in someway, whether that's bring focus back onto GCD healing and making that more then just cure-spamming or keeping healing primarily oGCD (like they've been doing) and making their GCD DPS interesting.
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    Last edited by Mimilu; 06-20-2024 at 11:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    I mean, E. Dyskrasia is literally Miasma II, which is what quite a few vocal people wanted to see added back to SCH for something to break up the Broils and Biolysis casts[...]
    Calling E.Dyskrasia a Miasma II is actually a stretch IMHO. Aside from itching the desire to have applicable "2nd DoT", they absolutely have no further resemblance beyond that for few following reason (CMIIW):
    1. Higher MP cost
    2. Cast time
    3. Different timers
    Other than that, I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Calling E.Dyskrasia a Miasma II is actually a stretch IMHO. Aside from itching the desire to have applicable "2nd DoT", they absolutely have no further resemblance beyond that for few following reason (CMIIW):
    1. Higher MP cost
    2. Cast time
    3. Different timers
    Other than that, I agree.
    I mean, does it need to be anything other then a 2nd DoT that's a DPS gain on a single-target even though it was designed for AoE use to be like Miasma II?
    All the things you listed are superfluous to the conversation when functionally it's going to be the same as Miasma II (at least based on the Media Tour's build). ꉂ (´∀`)ʱªʱªʱª
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    I mean, does it need to be anything other then a 2nd DoT that's a DPS gain on a single-target even though it was designed for AoE use to be like Miasma II?
    All the things you listed are superfluous to the conversation when functionally it's going to be the same as Miasma II (at least based on the Media Tour's build). ꉂ (´∀`)ʱªʱªʱª
    Well for one thing, both E.Dyskrasia and E.Dosis being 30s timer means they're just going to be used one after another. That's about 2 less Dosis casts per minute vs today's. A good shake-up IMHO would've been condensing the 2nd DoT down to anywhere from 12s to 24s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Well for one thing, both E.Dyskrasia and E.Dosis being 30s timer means they're just going to be used one after another. That's about 2 less Dosis casts per minute vs today's. A good shake-up IMHO would've been condensing the 2nd DoT down to anywhere from 12s to 24s.
    Now that's adds to the conversation. °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Well for one thing, both E.Dyskrasia and E.Dosis being 30s timer means they're just going to be used one after another. That's about 2 less Dosis casts per minute vs today's. A good shake-up IMHO would've been condensing the 2nd DoT down to anywhere from 12s to 24s.
    oh my sweet summer child...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.

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    The amount of gaslighting truly is alarming.
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    I am glad that this thread is still alive. It goes to show you how long people have been at odds with SE's design philosophy for the healer role. Much longer, in fact.
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    Well, the fix is in, and according to little starbirds, Eukrasian Dyskrasia no longer stacks with Eukrasian Dosis. Effectively killing the idea of 'a return of Miasma 2'
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