A summary of healer issues

[KageTokage]

DSR the arguably hardest overall hitting fight in the game at this point requires about 20-25k HPS between the 8 players (of which about 70% comes from the healers)

If you took every healer and had them spend every oGCD they have on CD (if resources share an oGCD use the highest potency one) and spam their GCD AOE heal anytime they have enough mana to and otherwise stand around regening mana then each individual healer can put out near 70k HPS average over the course of the fight

So even if you remove all DPS/tank healing and mitigation you are barely taxing 1/3 of ONE healers theoretical HPS in the highest damage fight in the game

Healer healing strength is completely out of line with the amount of damage done

Gee, I didn't realize it was that bad.

I guess at this point they'd have to do a total rebalancing of the game if they wanted to actually succeed at making healers heal more then they DPS.

[Absurdity]

Gee, I didn't realize it was that bad.

I guess at this point they'd have to do a total rebalancing of the game if they wanted to actually succeed at making healers heal more then they DPS.

I didn't even need to do the math to know that to make healers actually heal more than they DPS they would have to basically turn the game into World of Warcraft in regards to incoming party damage.
Anything less than that is not going to work with the attrition healing model they somehow convinced themselves we have.

[vetch]

Gee, I didn't realize it was that bad.

I guess at this point they'd have to do a total rebalancing of the game if they wanted to actually succeed at making healers heal more then they DPS.

No, they can just delete the heal kits and start over with 4-5 GCD heals apiece and 0-1 oGCDs. That's more than enough healing for ARR/HW content because that's already the kit in ARR/HW content so QED, and it's more than enough for new content because new content deals mit checks at half-minute intervals instead of damage.

Labor-intensive content rebalancing is not needed.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I kinda doubt they're going to give us more to heal when they seem to be taking both heal and mit checks as interchangeable. Which... isn't entirely true.

What are they going to do to balance out the amount of collective mitigations an 8-man parties can put out now that they've decided to buff almost all non-healers' mits options? Their track record suggests me that they would only come to one conclusion: "Stand in X spot or you'll explode, Idc."

Though now that I mentioned that, it'd be funny if WHM's means of mitigation remains at 10% with 2m cooldown when everybody else and their mother receives a buff lmao.

[Supersnow845]

Gonna hit yall with a weird opinion here

For me the best fight in the game for what I want out of an encounter for healing, damage and movement is kaliya

By far my favourite fight in the game and I desperately wished we got another one like it

[vetch]

That's not weird at all, Kaliya's really fun.

[Rozeee]

I'd argue that wasn't good design. The only thing interesting about it before was how horrible the snapshot for shield application was.

I've seen your posts in other threads. Are you here to have a discussion or are you here just to glaze the multi-million dollar company?

[Zolvolt]

I've seen your posts in other threads. Are you here to have a discussion or are you here just to glaze the multi-million dollar company?

Thanks for joining my fanclub. Tip for you, on the forums here and in real life, people are allowed to have different opinions than you. Not really sure why opinions on ARR healing mechanics are the thing you want to be rude about, but I hope that helps you grow as a person.

[Aravell]

The main reason older fights were good and newer fights are rarely good is because older fights required you to perform your role.

Tanks had adds pick up or they had to swap for mechanics.
Healers rarely got targeted by any mechanics but they had to ensure the survival of the team as they handled the mechanics.
DPS had to deal damage the best they can while handling mechanics that may or may not force them to disengage from the boss.

Newer fights just have every role do the same dance and anyone who fails a dance step will wipe the raid. Hardly a fun time.

[Zolvolt]

The main reason older fights were good and newer fights are rarely good is because older fights required you to perform your role.

Tanks had adds pick up or they had to swap for mechanics.
Healers rarely got targeted by any mechanics but they had to ensure the survival of the team as they handled the mechanics.
DPS had to deal damage the best they can while handling mechanics that may or may not force them to disengage from the boss.

Newer fights just have every role do the same dance and anyone who fails a dance step will wipe the raid. Hardly a fun time.

What fights? I distinctly remember having more mechanics to deal with as a healer than the dps did, even as far back as ARR. Searing wind for example. Or we had mechanics where everyone had to do the exact same mechanic, like dive bombs on twintania. I feel that the only difference between old mechanics and new mechanics is that mechanics now are far more complicated and the game doesn't run like it's on spaghetti code anymore. The boss-designers have gotten so much better at boss designs too. No, we had to GCD heal more because we had nearly zero healing OGCD's. That was the difference. I have to say I hard disagree with that statement.

You seem to have a propensity for arguing against something people didn't even say. "Rarely any mechanics target healers" does not mean "OMG HEALERS GET TO DO NOTHING IN EVERY FIGHT".

It's what happened in the other thread too, you just see me saying AST had middling complexity and twist it as if I said "OMG AST IS SO COMPLICATED I CAN'T EVEN".

And for the record, I'm talking about fantastic mechanic design like Forsaken, where tanks took tankbusters, DPS handled skulls and healers stand in the middle and heal so nobody dies during it. As opposed to mechanics now like Superchain Theory, where everyone does the exact same thing regardless of role and anyone tripping over just completely resets the fight, such engage, much wow.

edit: Seems like you like to read what you want to read instead of the words I wrote and the words even that you wrote. I never once quoted you on job complexity, you inserted yourself into my reply. Go back and read the text, it doesn't even quote you on that because you weren't the target of that statement. The very first sentence of the post is that there were a lot of dramatic posts. I didn't single you out. Second, now you're the one arguing against things I never said. I never said healers never do anything, I never said that you said that either. If you spent just a little more time reading what is written this miscommunication wouldn't be happening Aravell because you are drawing implications from my words that I am not making towards you. just read what is written and stop filling in blanks with whatever. If you want clarification on something I said you can simply ask instead of yelling about it in capslock.