A summary of healer issues

[Post]

Damn. I meant to bump with my useless crap to this thread instead of the Suggestions Megathread.

If we've achieved anything with our feedback, I feel this thread has the best chance of being heard and considered.

Feels like Pneuma could at least pulse a heal from every target hit by the beam, if not have that effect multiplied by every target hit. That way you could take advantage of its trajectory in cases like Ser Janet and Adelle and still have it hit everyone. But most of SGE's tools have a ridiculous 30y range that's bigger than that whole arena anyways, so Pneuma doesn't even need to be a healing tool as is, it's worth it enough to waste the two minutes just to deal a Dosis-and-a,-half worth of damage. That's the current state of a healer's power.

[Troxbark]

Damn. I meant to bump with my useless crap to this thread instead of the Suggestions Megathread.

If we've achieved anything with our feedback, I feel this thread has the best chance of being heard and considered.

Feels like Pneuma could at least pulse a heal from every target hit by the beam, if not have that effect multiplied by every target hit. That way you could take advantage of its trajectory in cases like Ser Janet and Adelle and still have it hit everyone. But most of SGE's tools have a ridiculous 30y range that's bigger than that whole arena anyways, so Pneuma doesn't even need to be a healing tool as is, it's worth it enough to waste the two minutes just to deal a Dosis-and-a,-half worth of damage. That's the current state of a healer's power.

Current state of a sages power.

Sch bring so little to the table in comparison that it would actually be reasonable to consider them a detriment to the team.

[ForsakenRoe]

Sch bring so little to the table in comparison that it would actually be reasonable to consider them a detriment to the team.

It's a lot closer than that. SGE has it's positives yes, but took several buffs to get to where it is and SCH still sees a lot of use in top runs. I don't think it's going anywhere until Chain Stratagem stops existing, the exponential scaling of Crit means that SCH will always find itself used for speedkills

[Renathras]

Damn. I meant to bump with my useless crap to this thread instead of the Suggestions Megathread.

If we've achieved anything with our feedback, I feel this thread has the best chance of being heard and considered.

I'm not sure THIS thread would be the most listened to.

It's super long and the OP opened with a lot of things that even many healers disagree with or that are arguably minor side issues.

A more concise list discussing things that everyone more or less agrees with would probably have worked better.

EDIT:

That is, so you don't mistake me:

A lot of the points are stated with over the top hyperbole and negative descriptors, and OP claims to speak for everyone when they do not. They did a good job in describing some of the points, but a lot of the bullet points are poor and some of the details are as well. They also do a very bad job of presenting their position as universal - not just a majority, but an absolute agreed upon thing with no dissent or differences.

[Aravell]

I feel that a lot of people tend to exaggerate on how bad they think SCH is, it's not though, I've saved runs and solohealed mechanics on SCH, just like any other healer. If we want to talk about an active detriment to the party in the mitigation-heavy fight design that we have now though, that would be WHM.

[Troxbark]

I feel that a lot of people tend to exaggerate on how bad they think SCH is, it's not though, I've saved runs and solohealed mechanics on SCH, just like any other healer. If we want to talk about an active detriment to the party in the mitigation-heavy fight design that we have now though, that would be WHM.

SCH can do all that yes, but sge has far more versatility and simply does it better. A lot of people cope on chain stratagem but that does not justify the large gap between sch and sge. Sage has nearly the same shielding potential as sch, more mit options and better deployment of them, and can match whm in burst healing.

I would agree that whm is detriment on content that's on farm but is still unbeatable when it comes to prog or sloppy PF parties. However, given how one trick pony whm is that situation will never change.

[Nizzi]

SCH can do all that yes, but sge has far more versatility and simply does it better. A lot of people cope on chain stratagem but that does not justify the large gap between sch and sge. Sage has nearly the same shielding potential as sch, more mit options and better deployment of them, and can match whm in burst healing.

I would agree that whm is detriment on content that's on farm but is still unbeatable when it comes to prog or sloppy PF parties. However, given how one trick pony whm is that situation will never change.

In what content? Current level 90 content? Because in older Ults you have a point, but not current content. There's no "cope", SCH's kit is much better than SGE's? SGE does not have nearly the same shielding potential, SCH is far above it with Critlo Deployment and that gives SCH the opportunity to brute force situations SGE can't. DSR for example is an encounter that just shows how much more SCH shines over SGE. SGE doesn't have more mit over Scholar either. It should be telling that SGE has been buffed multiple times this expansion both numerically damage wise and its abilities like Holos to try and keep up with how superior Scholar is in a raid environment this expansion. Meanwhile, have you seen anything happen to Scholar except Expedient getting nerfed?

[Supersnow845]

SCH can do all that yes, but sge has far more versatility and simply does it better. A lot of people cope on chain stratagem but that does not justify the large gap between sch and sge. Sage has nearly the same shielding potential as sch, more mit options and better deployment of them, and can match whm in burst healing.

I would agree that whm is detriment on content that's on farm but is still unbeatable when it comes to prog or sloppy PF parties. However, given how one trick pony whm is that situation will never change.

SCH has 2 10% and a 5%, SGE only has 2 10%’s not sure where you got that SGE has more mitigation, expedient is leagues above pneuma, tje fairy is better than kardia, critlo exceeds anything that SGE can put out

SGE’s one real niche is mobility, but in every other category it’s weaker (which isn’t a bad thing because it’s much easier especially in a PF environment when aetherflow isn’t a concern)

[tearagion]

To be fair SCH's 5% is only magic damage, pretty fight dependent strength if you contrast it with SGE being more efficient at mitigating heavy tank damage via Haima and Taurochole. I still prefer Fey Illumination though because lol what heavy tank damage that they ever need help mitigating. SCH is definitely stronger at its ceiling.

[Aravell]

I've been seeing an increase of people bashing SCH and elevating SGE, do you guys want SGE to be left behind again? How many buffs did it take to get it to be competitive?