A summary of healer issues

[Rollind_Montorgueil]

In any case, here's hoping the coming 7.0 rework fixes AST up. I'm always against the "advice" of "swap to another Job and do it", personally.

Agreed. I got into Final Fantasy XIV Online because the concept of the Astrologian fascinated me. I really didn't have any problems with the solo duties until I got to the ones at the end of Stormblood and beginning of Shadowbringers. I totally accept the fact that as a sprout I haven't nailed down all the mechanics and rotations of the class. However, some of the comments on my other thread where I asked for advice on how to complete "A Requiem for Heroes" on my AST were quite revealing. For the record, my favorite response so far on the subject comes from forum member "AnotherPerson," who put it like this:

"Simply put, AST's solo throughput is absolute ass." (Thanks, AP!)

[Renathras]

Agreed. I got into Final Fantasy XIV Online because the concept of the Astrologian fascinated me. I really didn't have any problems with the solo duties until I got to the ones at the end of Stormblood and beginning of Shadowbringers. I totally accept the fact that as a sprout I haven't nailed down all the mechanics and rotations of the class. However, some of the comments on my other thread where I asked for advice on how to complete "A Requiem for Heroes" on my AST were quite revealing. For the record, my favorite response so far on the subject comes from forum member "AnotherPerson," who put it like this:

"Simply put, AST's solo throughput is absolute ass." (Thanks, AP!)

Well, a word to the wise: These forums can be kind of negative/salty. The Healer subforum is PARTICULARLY bad at this. To take it with a grain of salt.

People have cleared PotD on AST (apparently it IS the hardest/most grindy to do, but HAVE done it), and if someone can do that, everything else in the game you want to do with AST you can do with AST. But I am hoping they do something about the soloing with Healers bit. I always level on Healers and do new expansions and MSQ stuff on Healers generally (in the very rare instances I don't, I do it on Tanks, the second lowest DPS Role), and have often done so without BiS gear, especially before ShB back when I was often in dungeon greens since I didn't do a lot of harder content, so it is all doable.

And yeah, AST has a pretty neat aesthetic and class fantasy. I'm more of a SCH kinda guy, but I can definitely see the appeal of AST and am glad to hear you're having fun with it in general.

[ty_taurus]

Well, a word to the wise: These forums can be kind of negative/salty. The Healer subforum is PARTICULARLY bad at this. To take it with a grain of salt.

People have cleared PotD on AST (apparently it IS the hardest/most grindy to do, but HAVE done it), and if someone can do that, everything else in the game you want to do with AST you can do with AST. But I am hoping they do something about the soloing with Healers bit. I always level on Healers and do new expansions and MSQ stuff on Healers generally (in the very rare instances I don't, I do it on Tanks, the second lowest DPS Role), and have often done so without BiS gear, especially before ShB back when I was often in dungeon greens since I didn't do a lot of harder content, so it is all doable.

And yeah, AST has a pretty neat aesthetic and class fantasy. I'm more of a SCH kinda guy, but I can definitely see the appeal of AST and am glad to hear you're having fun with it in general.

I don't see anything wrong with his post. What's there to be salty about?

[IDontPetLalas]

Well, a word to the wise: These forums can be kind of negative/salty. The Healer subforum is PARTICULARLY bad at this. To take it with a grain of salt.

People have cleared PotD on AST (apparently it IS the hardest/most grindy to do, but HAVE done it), and if someone can do that, everything else in the game you want to do with AST you can do with AST. But I am hoping they do something about the soloing with Healers bit. I always level on Healers and do new expansions and MSQ stuff on Healers generally (in the very rare instances I don't, I do it on Tanks, the second lowest DPS Role), and have often done so without BiS gear, especially before ShB back when I was often in dungeon greens since I didn't do a lot of harder content, so it is all doable.

And yeah, AST has a pretty neat aesthetic and class fantasy. I'm more of a SCH kinda guy, but I can definitely see the appeal of AST and am glad to hear you're having fun with it in general.

The oft-quoted "people" have cleared PotD on AST. Well- so what? How many out of all the jobs have done it on AST, and of those people, how much longer did it take them on AST in comparison to the other jobs? I would be willing to bet that it's the least number in comparison to any other job, and it took the longest to clear. So it could make it interesting for someone from an achievement point of view (i.e. they want to complete it on all jobs) - but it could be really off-putting for many people who find it a miserable slog. Which is similar to other things that you might want to solo on an AST- are they possible? Yes- are they fun? - not necessarily, in comparison to other jobs.

T

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Healers having less throughput for dps was less of an issue when the game launched and solo duties were more limited in scope, usually not having dps checks. Most of the battle content while leveling took place in the world with those little purple quest circles that spawn enemies and via FATEs, so you'd just as likely be able to do the whole healing thing for actual players.

Solo duties could still occasionally be tough; I remember getting my butt kicked in 2013 by the level 30 GLA duty with the bridge and level 20 CNJ duty where you have to help some Adders fight a buncha goats. Keeping them alive eventually led to a steamroll, which is good if they wanted to emphasize healing, but I had to deal a lot of damage, too. Then again, my gear was probably awful cuz I kept picking gil rewards from quests instead of upgrades.

Even when that quest Rollind's talking about was current though, I wiped on WHM once because I didn't save anything for the three swords. I was returning to the game so I wasn't in full i400, but I'm a veteran player at this point. That part of that duty has just always had a pretty tight timer for healer jobs. AST had stronger card buffs and more DoT damage back then, too, though maybe it balances out if you save Astrodyne and Divination for it.

[ForteNightshade]

"If you want more engaging content [as a healer], go play Ultimate" Yoshida said:

[Allegor]

"If you want more engaging content [as a healer], go play Ultimate" Yoshida said:

What's your point? I see a WAR and RDM there, aren't they healers? /think

[AnotherPerson]

"If you want more engaging content [as a healer], go play Ultimate" Yoshida said:

Wait, did they actually make it to the final phase without a healer? Does that mean the only thing that really stops a no-healer clear in Omega Protocol is just ... magic number because a lack of a healer LB3 and not because a healer's healing toolkit is needed? Oof.

[WaxSw]

Wait, did they actually make it to the final phase without a healer? Does that mean the only thing that really stops a no-healer clear in Omega Protocol is just ... magic number because a lack of a healer LB3 and not because a healer's healing toolkit is needed? Oof.

I've heard they just cleared not long ago but with lack of a better proof here's a screenshot of that group reaching a 1% wipe

Edit: further down in ty's post is the proof

[Absurdity]

Wait, did they actually make it to the final phase without a healer? Does that mean the only thing that really stops a no-healer clear in Omega Protocol is just ... magic number because a lack of a healer LB3 and not because a healer's healing toolkit is needed? Oof.

Yes, they made it to the last phase without healers. Sure looks like only magic number is preventing a no-healer clear.