A summary of healer issues

[Aravell]

I've been thinking, instead of heavy hard-hitting raidwides that kill when mitigation isn't on point, why don't they just give us a series of moderate raid damage hits during mechanics instead?

Let's take High Concept in P8S part 2 for example, instead of what they do now, what if, during the part where you have to combine 2 players to take towers, the boss marks one random tile with fire/ice and the remaining 6 players have something to do instead of standing there and staring at the boss until his wing starts glowing. Or maybe High Concept cast applies a minor bleed to everyone to keep healers on their toes?

There's other things they could do too, I think the problem of filler spam could be partially solved if most fights aren't just waiting for the next castbar.

[Semirhage]

/sigh

And just when I paid you that complement in the other thread. I'll ignore the rest until you can make a good faith post. Except this bit, because it actually has something in it worth discussing:

Lordy. Sebazy calls you on lying about the history of the community's stances on healer design, and it's a "bad-faith argument". Redditors should have logical fallacy names forbidden to them until they can actually use them correctly. All the widespread dissemination of that information has done is enable people to smugly cry "bad-faith" or "ad hominem!" when they're wrong but want to dishonestly shift the discussion to "tone".

[Renathras]

Lordy. Sebazy calls you on lying about the history of the community's stances on healer design, and it's a "bad-faith argument". Redditors should have logical fallacy names forbidden to them until they can actually use them correctly. All the widespread dissemination of that information has done is enable people to smugly cry "bad-faith" or "ad hominem!" when they're wrong but want to dishonestly shift the discussion to "tone".

No, she doesn't, because I didn't lie.

Other people say the same thing, and as discussed (in that other thread), she was probably not part of a "casual" raiding group by most definitions of the word. And when you START your post with "oh, that's just you being a you" with negative implications - she was literally using my name as an insult - then that's not going to get a positive response. It's not even just me saying this. On the first page of the summary of healer issues I cross-posted to General, someone ELSE already mentioned it as well. In one of his Q&As, Mr Happy was asked about taking the game back to that era and he - who was a raider at the time just like Sebezy was - was the one who said it nearly killed the game a second time.

You can't call something "lying" when it's shared by a lot of people and is truthful, no matter how desperate you are for a gotcha against your hated enemy.

Take the stick out for once and try not to be so desperate for a gotcha, Semi.

[Renathras]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-healer-issues

Cross posted the thread there. It doesn't have 270 likes at the present time, but maybe there's a discussion going.

[Renathras]

Dream Fitting wasn't forced into the game by the mogstation lady.

The community was asking for a way to preview outfits on their ingame character because more often than not you buy a mogstation outfit only to find out that it looks god awful on your character or dyes terribly.

No, the management actually wanted to put Mog Store purchases in the game. Yoshi P said he didn't want any in-game connection to the store - a position I agree with after playing RIFT, TOR, LOTRO, and GW2 and finding the obtrusive store to be immersion breaking and annoying. But the executives kept pushing and said he had to relent and capitulate to them in some way. His compromise was Dream Fitting. I don't remember which interview or Live Letter it was, but Yoshi P himself was saying he didn't want to do it but his hand was forced.

You can claim the community was asking for it now, but that wasn't the point. The point was that Yoshi P has a lot of clout but doesn't have power to unilaterally make all these big decisions. He still is subject to the board. Even though he was given a seat on it, it's his one seat, not a veto power or executive authority to demand things like bigger pay for his team to be expanded.

EDIT:

What about asking a question about that in a future Q&A?

"With each expansion increasing the total number of jobs available, this also means it becomes more time-consuming to not only manage the balance between jobs, but also ensure they're all fun and enjoyable. How does your team manage this steadily increasing work load, and are there any plans to expand the team responsible for job adjustments to ensure every job gets the right amount of attention?"

That's actually a good question. Would support.

[Sebazy]

So regarding an earlier comment, I finally got round to running Lapis Manalis whilst using only GCD heals, assize and no oGCD healing cooldowns. I did habitually hit PI once, but Aquaveil, Benison, Asylum etc were completely off the table.

Lilies and Regen had pretty much everything covered, I had hoped to need to Medica II more but I only ended up casting it twice on the final boss around it's big AoE transition.

Depressingly and perhaps predictably, it made naff all difference.

I got a 94% for my damage which given that I'm not BiS on my healer and don't have a Savage weapon, I'm pretty happy with that.

Dungeon damage is just too low, I suspect I'd have to limit myself to no in combat Lilies, no assize and pray I get a bad tank before no oGCD heals would actually start having an impact.

[ForsakenRoe]

So regarding an earlier comment,

What was said comment, just out of interest? Cos I'm not really sure what you were trying to find out from this run you did. All I see is 'if we remove every OGCD entirely from the healers, they still have enough spare time to have around 40% of their casts dedicated to doing damage in the EX roulettes', which I assume means that some people's suggestion would be 'okay then we need to not only remove every OGCD entirely, but also halve the potency of the GCDs that remain, that way we'll have only 20% of the casts be damage, that'll make healing fun'

I wonder, is this what we're gonna be doing for the month before the patch comes out? Just coming up with more and more stupid 'challenge runs' for testing how little of the 'healer role's responsibilities' we actually need to do as healers?

'Meet Kardialetics, my 'can only heal with Kardia-triggered heals' Ultimate Ironman' etc

[Iedarus]

What was said comment, just out of interest? Cos I'm not really sure what you were trying to find out from this run you did. All I see is 'if we remove every OGCD entirely from the healers, they still have enough spare time to have around 40% of their casts dedicated to doing damage in the EX roulettes', which I assume means that some people's suggestion would be 'okay then we need to not only remove every OGCD entirely, but also halve the potency of the GCDs that remain, that way we'll have only 20% of the casts be damage, that'll make healing fun'

I wonder, is this what we're gonna be doing for the month before the patch comes out? Just coming up with more and more stupid 'challenge runs' for testing how little of the 'healer role's responsibilities' we actually need to do as healers?

'Meet Kardialetics, my 'can only heal with Kardia-triggered heals' Ultimate Ironman' etc

Hey, considering Eos/Selene can do all of your healing for you in Sastasha, who can blame us for making challenges like this?

[ForsakenRoe]

Hey, considering Eos/Selene can do all of your healing for you in Sastasha, who can blame us for making challenges like this?

Well, I already screwed up by suggesting 'kardia only', if I had a group of FC friends who didn't mind potentially getting griefed that one actually sounds kinda fun, having to constantly swap Kardia around. If there was a CD that made it temporarily AOE then I'd be way more up to actually trying it

[Renathras]

Well, I already screwed up by suggesting 'kardia only', if I had a group of FC friends who didn't mind potentially getting griefed that one actually sounds kinda fun, having to constantly swap Kardia around. If there was a CD that made it temporarily AOE then I'd be way more up to actually trying it

Honestly, this is how PvP SGE works, and it's actually kinda fun if you get a party that doesn't spread to the four corners and actually stays together (talking Frontlines here). PvP Kardia has no CD so you can constantly hot-swap it and it's the only way SGE can effectively heal.